Ahmed JBH, I feel that your opening post encourages the issue that Josh 0335 has raised. It seems relevant to include that Islam is a young religion and has accepted, a great many understandings that are both pure and true, such as lessons from ancient Greece. Did Islam hold that the Earth was flat, I think not as it embodied the learnings and truths that were bestowed upon it from history. I feel you are obliged to accept or question, that Islam is more than the Qu' ran, it is its people and their histories.
I appreciate your point.
I think it is definitely worth pursuing, but I think it is important to establish some kind of foundation, a core understanding, before moving on to what certian scholars say and differences of opinions hundreds of years after etc.
I wish to stay on track however, and at least outline Islamic philosophy as it is written in the books, and then if you want to debate different interpretations, it would be a good time.
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This is a good outlook, but I also don't believe in free will. There are a finite choices for every decision and some you have absolutely no choice. I think it is a trick to mislead people with however; I agree with your decisions are freely made by you and you also experience the consequences of those decisions weather they turn out good or bad.
This is why I think it is unfair to first place expectations onto a being to act or behave in a certain way. Then secondly punish said being for making the choice which is contrary to those expectations. Sending a being to suffer torment for making the "wrong" decisions is cold hearted.
Your post is somewhat confusing. Of course for every situation there are limited options, the key is chosing the right one. I think you are suggesting that sometimes there is only "bad" options. If that were the case, then the person has no crime to answer for, as the situation is beyond there control. For example, imagine you are being held at gun point, and this gun holder says you must punch either your mother or your father, or you will all be shot. There is no sin here, because you are being compelled to do something, and there is no intention of evil.
An example within islam is that a famous companion of the Prophet was being tortured, and they kept trying to make him deny his religion. Eventually he was nearing death, so he just said, "ok , I deny it etc". He then escaped the torture, and returned to the Prophet, he told him what happend, and the Prophet said, thats fine, if you find yourslef ever in a similar situation you can do the same, as long as you keep the faith in your heart.
This also assumes the "punsisher" will put the person into a no win situation, thats not what I said or believe. Infact if we do something wrong by forgetfulness or without intention, I believe God will not look negatively at those deeds.
Allah does not impose upon any soul a duty but to the extent of its ability; for it is (the benefit of) what it has earned and upon it (the evil of) what it has wrought: Our Lord! do not punish us if we forget or make a mistake; Our Lord! do not lay on us a burden as Thou didst lay on those before us, Our Lord do not impose upon us that which we have not the strength to bear; and pardon us and grant us protection and have mercy on us, Thou art our Patron, so help us against the unbelieving people.
Free will is a massive topic, and is definitely worthy of its own thread, as I have simplified my views here to avoid any confusion and save time.