i see-perhaps you didnt notice the part about hegel? do you also find that 'sickening' and beyond your understanding?

So whats your point then Salima.

xris i dont feel that you made any response to the reply, it is as though you havent read or understood the concept.

i sympathize with your frustration and outrage at all the misfortune in the world, i have to look at it every day and it isnt easy. but it is almost as if we are knowing it could be us any day and we are afraid that we may have to face what others do daily.

these conditions are part of life, and rather than rage about them it is possible to do something constructive. look at people like christopher reeves and how hard he worked to bring awareness to the public over the issues of stem cell research. that is only one small example.

i cant take any time to continue to make a case for something that i know from experience you will never comprehend. i am sorry because i know that the suffering in the world you have taken on your back and it is too much for any one person to bear.

i am so distressed about the way these forums have developed that i hereby remove myself from any conversation on religion and unsubscribe from these forums. sorry xris, maybe we will meet again on another thread like poetry or music where we can reach some kind of understanding, because it isnt going to happen here.

Every now and then we have certain faiths making claims that need to be questioned

I do feel compelled to question the statements being made.