I have always believed in the reality of space and time.

But it seems that Kant is saying that space and time are humanity's form for experiencing the world and not only does space and time not correlate with reality but it cannot even possibly. I find this very disturbing. But I cannot find a flaw in his argument and on the contrary I am beginning to wonder if he is right. I will look for refuting arguments and see what I find.

The only analogy I can seem to think of is that of Flatland. We are in Flatland trying to understand a three dimensional reality and failing utterly. A friend tells me this doesn't really matter in the practical sense and I suppose I will have to think about that.

Hi,

Space and time are interesting.

For example, what space/time one might experience in the awake state seems to be much different from an asleep state. How does this switch occur? Why the differences?

Why should time be relative to a frame of reference and velocity that one is moving? A strange concept?

For me, the answer lies in the perspective one takes. For me, space/time is something I experience. From a subjective point of view then I am quite comfortable with the concept though what it IS intrigues me. Recently, I happened upon the so-name Holographic Universe Theory which provides me with some potential ideas and clues.

However, for someone who wishes to define space/time as some sort of external, mind independent reality, then I think it might provide some discomfort, since it is difficult to feel grounded in such an illusive concept.

For me ... space/time is like an artist's canvas. It is formed by consciousness and light to create a canvas on which to create with. Sort of like a Monopoly board. Whimsical? Possibly. But who says life has to be serious?

Cya,

Rich

Kant might say that dreaming is all mental states and there is nothing to experience hence nothing with which space/time can mediate.

I'll think about looking at the Holographic Universe Theory at some later time when I can extricate myself from the quicksand Kant has led me to!

Thanks.

Marcia

Hi.

For example, what space/time one might experience in the awake state seems to be much different from an asleep state. How does this switch occur? Why the differences
Rich

Hi Rich,
I thought it said what's the difference, well I think that you dont experience time when your sleeping nor when you're dreaming. That you're not aware of time or space either really, well maybe space.

Yes, I agree. And to me this is absolutely amazing! How does the mind switch itself from one state to another. Where does the impetus come from? What is it? How does it switch back? Why do the states seem so different? Why do we conclude one is reality and not the other? And on, and on and on ....

Also, amazing to me, this whole subject is barely discussed anywhere in all of the books I have ever read. The only person that I have found who has even touched this issue was Heraclitus who says roughly:

But other men know not what they are doing when awake, even as they forget what they do in sleep.

All the things we see when awake are death, even as all we see in slumber are sleep.

Those who are asleep are fellow-workers . . . .

And it is the same thing in us that is quick and dead, awake and asleep, young and old

The waking have one common world, but the sleeping turn aside each into a world of his own.

What is amazing to me is how completely human beings ignore sleep when they discuss the Reality. As if sleep doesn't even exist.

Rich

That's the most msyterious part is how because we dont know, in that it happens without us realising, (when we drift off to sleeep),

have you ever heard about dream travelling, (i dont know what fancy name they call it), but where you're aware that you're dreaming and you kind of go off on trip, (or something), basically you choose where you go. It is very rare.

Didn't someone once say "how can you tell you're not dreaming when you think you're awake?" I can t remember who said it. I thought it about it and I thought of the old saying about pinching yourself, I didn't understand the statement.