@hue-man,
hue-man;100955 wrote:What the hell are you talking about?! I didn't say anything about yelling at a person for bringing food to the poor, and I didn't say that there would be no slavery without Christianity. If you can't understand my point then that's your problem.
Okay, lets reset and debate atheism. No hard feelings. Technically I am an atheist too.
I was saying that African slave trade in both in west and east Africa had been put a stop to by the British because of a revival of Christian principles in that time. For example the explorer Livingston was highly motivated by ending African slavery. You seem to disagree with that or say that it was also Christianity that started slavery in the first place. Please elaborate.
hue-man;100955 wrote:Once again, you must be arguing with someone else, because I didn't say or imply that slavery started with Christianity. I said that Judeo-Christian doctrine was used to support the trans-Atlantic slave trade as well. Am I right or wrong?
As I said in the edit of my last post: Slavery might have been justified with Christian principles. But you can justify anything with Christian principles if you try hard enough. That doesn't really say much about Christianity itself. And it's different than something we do because of Christian principles. And as your type tends to say: slavery has always existed.
hue-man;100955 wrote:For starters, there are no where near as many atheists as there are Christians (though the numbers of secularists are growing more and more), so I would expect for them to be less involved in charity.
Of course I meant per capita. While I don't have exact numbers on who does how much charity, I think you don't disagree that atheists do less of it. If you disagree that Christians do more charity then tell me. The "be good" part from "don't believe, just be good for no reason" seems to get left out.
Secondly secularism has nothing to do with atheism. They are ideologies that often go together, but Christian priests might be secularists, and atheists might want their "religion" be enshrined by the state.
I argue for Christianity, I'm an atheist, but I'm not a secularist, go figure... ;-)
I personally believe that a majority of self-proclaimed atheists are not secularists.
Wanting crosses of war memorials is not secularism.
hue-man;100955 wrote:Secondly, who said that charity was the number one value for everyone? You should understand that being a conservative libertarian. Last but not least, secular scientists and their naturalistic, skeptical, empirical, epistemic philosophy has contributed greatly to the well being of the human species.
I didn't say charity is the number one value, it's an example.
Of course atheists have done good stuff, nobody is claiming they do nothing.
But neither secular scientists or naturalistic, skeptical, empirical, epistemic philosophy are particularly atheist.
Those are views that atheists like to ascribe as their own.
But, for example, wouldn't you say that a disproportionately greater number of atheists believe in global warming, so being skeptical isn't really a atheist trait.
