To clarify for my timid mind...

...you feel if we became more lucid, we would have more control over those 'bad' things which we are all subjected to in our un-lucid state?

Or to re-phrase: My reality is like a dream, in that I have little control. It is this lack of control that causes 'bad' things to happen to me... yes? If I was to become more lucid I could stop some, or all of these bad things.

Regards,
Dan.

But these 'stupid', people as you call 'em, may be ignorant to such bad things and thus they don't seem so bad.

Is not possible that all the 'bad' and 'good' that every person feels is the same, in that, no matter what our experiences we all experience roughly the same spectrum of good or bad. After all our brains and emotional apparatus are all the same.

For example, someone who skipped school; is practically destitute; and works as a chimney sweep feels the same level/type of happiness on his weekends off down the local pub than, say, someone who attend private school; lives in a mansion; and works as a lawyer when he has his weekends off and goes to the local box social for a very pretentious drink. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the chimney sweep and layer had both convinced themselves they were happier than the other.

Dan.

...you feel if we became more lucid, we would have more control over those 'bad' things which we are all subjected to in our un-lucid state? Dan.

Had your analogy been from the perception of the chimney sweep, I am sure it would have been different. Perhaps not?


William

But what is supposed to follow from that? That it is not better to have money, than not? That is it not better to be educated than not? That is is not better to be intelligent than not? I don't think so.

Ken, that was not my point. I was just commenting on the analogy and how skewed it was assuming the lawyer being equal to that of the chimney sweep when they are nothing alike. Education and intelligence are indeed rewardable if they are both equitably compensated insuring no lack for either. In that the compensation of the chimney sweep was lacking noted by his destitute status, he had to forgo his education to survive.The entire analogy was non-sensical and rationalistic from the lawyers point of view, IMO.

Willaim

Might I offer it is my observation. Your analogy comes from the perspective of the "lawyer" as you do not take into consideration those "other" differences between the "chimney sweep" and the "lawyer" such as can be assumed like: "mansion/hovel, clean/soiled, master/slave, leadership/servitude, intellect/ignorance and so forth. It is a rationalization assuming to know the perception of the "lesser", when in reality there is no way of knowing the perception of the chimney sweep for we have be programmed to hear only the elite who have a voice, where as the poor have none other than what they are "allowed" to have.

Had your analogy been from the perception of the chimney sweep, I am sure it would have been different. Perhaps not?

Just an observation. Your comments, please.

William

Hi Dan,

I don't think of it as having more control, since I don't think we can control things since there are so many influences around us that affect who we are and what we can and cannot do. However, I do think that as we become more lucid (aware), we can become better navigators.

Much like a sailor, who can choose to navigate through a large way, around the wave, or away from the wave, we to have choices in which way to go, and the more experiences we accumulate (through many physical lives, maybe), the better navigators we may become.

Rich

Becomeing more lucid certainly does give us more control. If we are in a locked room with a number lock on the door. We can get out if we are lucid enough to know the number. But if not then we are stuck in the limited soundings.

I see life that we cant instantly become 100% lucid because that would involve your consciousness being the whole universe. But however. In the avatar of our bodys we can still expand consciousness. And its just as fun as controlling the whole universe really because its relative to all of humanity that are suffering the same limitations of there ego.

The issue I see is that the more one tries to control the more someone else loses control, so the tension/conflict is created between all those who are participating and desire control. This is conflict is inevitable [Heraclitus] and it creates change. The result is that no one can or will ever control, but each of us has a say in what is happening.

Rich