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Reply Sun 17 May, 2009 09:07 pm
I am currently reading Kierkegaard's "Sickness Unto Death", though it is a quite challenging book to me, I am getting through it slowly. There is one point I did not understand, however, when he spoke sickness of the spirit as "dialectical" while the health of the spirit is immediate, something like that. What does he exactly mean by immediacy and dialectical, and why the sickness of spirit must be dialectical? Thanks!
 
Victor Eremita
 
Reply Tue 19 May, 2009 03:17 am
@EquesLignite,
To simplify matters, immediacy is pre-reflective or without mediation or deliberation. Someone who lives life without serious critical reflection of said life is living in immediacy. Dialectical is mediated reflection, where you have to critically think about your life.

If you lived in pure immediacy, you only care what pleases you and what bores you and try to steer towards the former and away from the latter. When you are in despair, there is no such thing as immediacy; being in despair necessarily involves you critically thinking about your life and thinking beyond simple distinctions of pain and pleasure.
 
vajrasattva
 
Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:26 pm
@EquesLignite,
We learn and reason our way through logic into sin. We practice sining untill we develop spiritual sickness (the searing of the conscience). Our natural state of spirit is one of health due to the fact that we are all created in Gods image. So, if one did not reason ones way into sin, one would not commit sin, and therefore not be spiritualy sick.
Everyone has a pure consicience at some point. There we make the choice inspite of the guilt inside of us to commit sin. It is trough the human rational that we do this. E.g. "It's ok if I steal because I need that, and this person has everything they want anyway". It is here that spiritual sickness becomes dialectacal and spiritual heath immediate.

I think

Hope I helped and didn't hurt

Thanks
 
William
 
Reply Wed 27 May, 2009 01:57 pm
@EquesLignite,
EquesLignite;63663 wrote:
I am currently reading Kierkegaard's "Sickness Unto Death", though it is a quite challenging book to me, I am getting through it slowly. There is one point I did not understand, however, when he spoke sickness of the spirit as "dialectical" while the health of the spirit is immediate, something like that. What does he exactly mean by immediacy and dialectical, and why the sickness of spirit must be dialectical? Thanks!


Holy smoke! A philosophical question I think I can respond to. Wow!!! For me, like you, have a hard time understanding anything dead philosophers say. IMO, what he is saying is that since the immediate is all there is and our ability to focus on that, when we effort to explain it, rather than being able to comfortably live in that immediate moment, we destroy the moment and all it has to offer, for there is nothing else. When we look for reason means we are not satisfied in what that moment brings whether it be fear, anguish, loneliness or what ever negative emotion we are experiencing in that moment. I am interpreting "dialectical" as mental words or thoughts we are searching for that cannot explain why that moment is not as it should be that will give us peace, serenity and health of spirit. In other words the moment should bring peace and joy, we shouldnt have to think about it for reason, rationalization or too look for excuses. For it is in that peace of mind we don't need to effort to define anything. It will automatically supply it for us in that moment using a natural language we can understand, rather that trying to find it in the diverse, dialectical difficult language we are used to hearing:)

William
 
meditationyoga
 
Reply Fri 19 Jun, 2009 06:20 pm
@EquesLignite,
Dialectical by meaning you don't know who you are. Questions, worries and answers. Thus you are not satisfied when thinking. You are disturbed about the choices you have to make. Immediate is right now you feel filled with light, satisfied, complete. You are the completeness of your organism.
 
Judges-Vs-Poets
 
Reply Tue 3 Nov, 2009 04:21 pm
@meditationyoga,
Saw this on wikipedia:

In the Point of View, Kierkegaard wrote: "In the pseudonymous works, there is not a single word which is mine. I have no opinion about these works except as a third person, no knowledge of their meaning, except as a reader, not the remotest private relation to them."

I tried to leave a comment on the NY Times opinion piece Kierkegaard on the Couch about such things, but the author didn't seem to want to post it. Tsk tsk moderation.

Check out verse 71 of the Tao Te Ching

The words may be different but .... you know the rest.
 
 

 
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