...and check it out-All Zeno ended up doing as his philosophy most certainly travelled through time all the way from him to me here tonite is to bring up (not point out) that there are an infinite number of percieved points in any given trajectory which means to us here on this board; that yes, a person can infact travel all the way through an infinity, in this case, from one wall to the other.

Please see my previous post. Zeno's paradox does not require the arrow to actually stop and restart; it is more a case of 'freezing the action' at various points, as in a film.



I'm afraid I don't see the paradox here. You have more alkaloid by weight, but less by percentage. That is because the increase in the weight of alkaloid is exceeded by the increase in the weight of non-alkaloid. You have more alkaloid molecules than you did before, but they are distributed over a larger total volume. (It is weight/mass, not percentage, that determines the 'amount' of a substance.)

I know what you and Zeno are saying, I did last night too but wasn't thinking about that specificly.

The problem I have with Zeno's paradox is that his logic and illustrations are misleading to the point of being wrong.

You will never get to the otherside because according to the fractioning of the distance, time is also fractioned at the same rate and the time needed to cross never comes to completion,(in a vacuum).

I think what actually happens is that those units are a mental construct; perceived. I also think time is relative to the observer. So long as the person crossing the room intends on it he never does according to the shrinking units of measurement, yet when he percieves that he does, he actually does, and the parallel dimension where he doesn't ever cross ceases to exist at the moment that he percieves a reality where he does,(and he does).

edit- in other words, because he is racing against time and space, it require more energy then the time and space require at any one of the points, so at the point where he percieves that he touches the wall, the extra energy given by that perception allows him to break that percieved time/space barrier and he actually touches the other side and at the same moment he ceases to intend on reaching it which weakens the barrier and the never ending trajectory dependant on the intention ceases to exist.

By that way, a person could percieve that he or she had reached the end of the room at the half way point, at which point they would disappear and reappear at the otherside.

Is that a paradox?

LOL! NeOH, I have to say that in the history of "those guys" that come by the forum, you take the gold star for making simple seem on some level of informed. Kudos.

In regards to post #20, I can hardly stop chuckling about the refutations, if they are even that. Zeno, as I should hope you understand (which by your self proclaimation do... yet always end on don't which is odd in itself), was not as concerned for the physical (i.e. physics) implications as much as the logical. This is so painful to say because it is so obvious. Seriously? you got "all things are one" from Zeno's paradox?

About the Aristotle remark and the half distance thing? do you understand? Seriously!!! LOL! You are putting concepts like "energy" into a purely logical paradox. And the sad part is that the real paradox has even yet to be addressed by you.

Do you even understand the concept of logic??? LOL! Where was this even quoted from??? Are you conjuring suppositions for me now? Oh man, if I could show this thread to my classmates in propositional logic when I was a freshmen, they would get a kick out of this.

This is something I'm not going to joke about. Education is a primary facet in a person's growth that brings out the potential a person is able to achieve in their life. You have my sincere condolences on this note. Everyone should have access to the same education and level of achievement, and you are no exception.

LOL! Seriously???

I really could go on? but to tell the truth this has become too comical to take serious anymore and has lost its constructive nature. All I can say at this point is keep your topic on the point of the paradox of Zeno because this sub forum is Philosophy 101, meant to be for academic help, not? well? whatever has just transpired.

Here are the forum guidelines just in case;

To tell the truth, we have all fumbled because we are carrying on a conversation beyond the intent of the original poster in regards to specificity. So, if anything, you may want create a separate thread and continue the issue. I would suggest the logic section, but then again?

Yes, and we cannot mentally construct an infinite number of units, since we only have a finite amount of thinking time. So the number of units will always be finite, thus the person will be able to pass through them all in a finite time. Problem solved!

But I don't think perception comes into it. We cannot make something occur by perceiving it. If a perception is true, the occurrence causes the perception, not the other way round. And if a perception is false, we cannot miraculously make the event come true. Perceptions do not cause events.

Sorry, you've completely baffled me there! :confused: