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Lily
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 11:43 am
@Fido,
Fido;141882 wrote:

Pure water, or drinking water??? distilled water boils at a lower temperature, but water so pure is never found in nature...

and if you're high above sea level, it also boils at a lower temperature:eek:
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 01:09 pm
@Lily,
Lily;141927 wrote:
and if you're high above sea level, it also boils at a lower temperature:eek:


I guess that the questioner was asking the question, "What is the normal boiling point of water at normal conditions?" So really, none of the other posts is relevant to that question.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 01:12 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;141943 wrote:
I guess that the questioner was asking the question, "What is the normal boiling point of water at normal conditions?" So really, none of the other posts is relevant to that question.
I think the initial question is subject for heavily interpetation, so I wouldn't be so tough about it.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 01:16 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;141945 wrote:
I think the initial question is subject for heavily interpetation, so I wouldn't be so tough about it.



It is, I think likely, that the question asked what I suggested it asked. But, I have not gotten into the mind of the questioner. So I may be wrong. We can say only what is likely when we have such imperfect information.
 
prothero
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 02:07 pm
@awoelt,
I saw it written the other day that science now performs the miracles that used to be attributed to gods (healings, vaccines, structures of immense size, airplanes flight, etc). I think this is true. So some now "worship" science as the source of truth and miracles in much the same way they used to worship religion and the gods. It is true science provides more miracles than religion and prophets these days.

Science has also provided us with a universal and common story about our origins (evolution) and about our place in the universe (cosmology) another function formerly provided by religion.

"religion will not regain it former power until it can face change in the same spirit as science does" A.N. Whitehead.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 04:01 pm
@prothero,
prothero;141957 wrote:
I saw it written the other day that science now performs the miracles that used to be attributed to gods (healings, vaccines, structures of immense size, airplanes flight, etc). I think this is true. So some now "worship" science as the source of truth and miracles in much the same way they used to worship religion and the gods. It is true science provides more miracles than religion and prophets these days.

Science has also provided us with a universal and common story about our origins (evolution) and about our place in the universe (cosmology) another function formerly provided by religion.

"religion will not regain it former power until it can face change in the same spirit as science does" A.N. Whitehead.


Obviously, the word "miracle" is being used loosely to mean what Hume called, "the marvelous". Vaccines are marvelous because they prevent what were one dreaded diseases. But they are not miraculous since they are not supernatural things which exist contrary to the laws of nature. So although science provides us with the marvelous, it cannot provide us with the miraculous.
 
prothero
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 04:21 pm
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;141996 wrote:
Obviously, the word "miracle" is being used loosely to mean what Hume called, "the marvelous". Vaccines are marvelous because they prevent what were one dreaded diseases. But they are not miraculous since they are not supernatural things which exist contrary to the laws of nature. So although science provides us with the marvelous, it cannot provide us with the miraculous.
Of course I do not believe in "miracles" which contravene the laws of nature and I do not accept that definition. A supernatural event is of course one of the definitons of "miracle" but there are others as well. In my view life itself is a miracle, as is the development of a human being from a single fertilized cell. The marvelous can also be the miraculous.
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 05:24 pm
@prothero,
prothero;142003 wrote:
Of course I do not believe in "miracles" which contravene the laws of nature and I do not accept that definition. A supernatural event is of course one of the definitons of "miracle" but there are others as well. In my view life itself is a miracle, as is the development of a human being from a single fertilized cell. The marvelous can also be the miraculous.


Yes that is true. But that does not mean that what is only marvelous is also miraculous. Miracles are suspensions of natural laws. But we cannot know whether there are such things. But we can, of course, all marvel about the polio vaccine that has all but eliminated a terrible and feared disease. What kind of miracles do not contravene natural law?
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 05:49 pm
@awoelt,
"Miracles are not contrary to nature, but only contrary to what we know about nature" - St Augustine

" Now, my own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. I have read and heard many attempts at a systematic account of it, from materialism and theosophy to the Christian system or that of Kant, and I have always felt that they were much too simple. I suspect that there are more things in heaven and earth that are dreamed of, or can be dreamed of, in any philosophy. That is the reason why I have no philosophy myself, and must be my excuse for dreaming."

John Burden Sanderson Haldane (1892-1964) English geneticist. Possible Worlds and other Essays (1927) "Possible Worlds".
 
Fido
 
Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 08:41 pm
@Lily,
Lily;141927 wrote:
and if you're high above sea level, it also boils at a lower temperature:eek:

Its twoo...Its twoo...

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kennethamy;141943 wrote:
I guess that the questioner was asking the question, "What is the normal boiling point of water at normal conditions?" So really, none of the other posts is relevant to that question.

That helps, but as anyone should know, people inhabit the whole of the earth, from high altitude to low, boiling contaminated water and pure; so one should apply the short piece test...That is: spell it out..
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 05:49 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;141550 wrote:
Yes. "atomos" is ancient Greek for "indivisible".


[CENTER]:bigsmile:
The Hellenic people laughed about the Disc-overy of that Theory. As they did about Democracy. I forgot the Name of the town starts with A I think, Northern Greece/Macedonia. The name of the town came to stand for silly-ness.

Pepijn Sweep's:whoa-dude:
[/CENTER]
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 06:06 am
@Fido,
Fido;142051 wrote:
Its twoo...Its twoo...

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That helps, but as anyone should know, people inhabit the whole of the earth, from high altitude to low, boiling contaminated water and pure; so one should apply the short piece test...That is: spell it out..


That's right. They inhabit the whole of the Earth. But the questioner was (I think) asking about normal conditions. Boiling water on the top of Mt. Everest is not a normal condition.
 
TuringEquivalent
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 06:06 am
@awoelt,
awoelt;139137 wrote:
Could science itself be a religon? The basic principles being gravity, energy, and electricity. The prophets we have faith in being any scientist. I mean, why trust all the scientists to tell us how the world is? Aside from science created medicine and technology, why do we beleive them? Could grass just be grass and not forms of carbon and water? Or can sky be sky and not a large formation of varied gases?


No, science is not a religion. science is too general of a term. Most philosophers takes about a complete theory of physics. In general, the question turns to the distinction between observation, and theory. Many people think that a theory is what allow us to "see" observations.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 07:38 am
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent;142150 wrote:
No, science is not a religion. science is too general of a term. Most philosophers takes about a complete theory of physics. In general, the question turns to the distinction between observation, and theory. Many people think that a theory is what allow us to "see" observations.


[CENTER][/CENTER]
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 07:51 am
@TuringEquivalent,
TuringEquivalent;142150 wrote:
No, science is not a religion. science is too general of a term. Most philosophers takes about a complete theory of physics. In general, the question turns to the distinction between observation, and theory. Many people think that a theory is what allow us to "see" observations.
I don't really see the big difference between religion and sience, there are equally many naive and group think people, much assumptions and superstesion.
Preachers, followers, fanatisism and love.

..so what is not?
 
Fido
 
Reply Mon 22 Mar, 2010 09:14 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;142149 wrote:
That's right. They inhabit the whole of the Earth. But the questioner was (I think) asking about normal conditions. Boiling water on the top of Mt. Everest is not a normal condition.

There are no normal conditions, no normal water.. So one must always ask: what is the boiling point of distilled water at sea level at a given barometric pressure... Only when we define all of the conditions can we say what truth is under those narrow circumstances.
 
Wisdom Seeker
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 01:16 am
@awoelt,
i think religion explains why? and science explains How?, that is the difference

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religion explains that god created humans because of its overflowing love
he need humans to contain his over flowing love, that explains why?

in science, it explains that humans are carbon based-life, because they were made with it, that explains how?
 
 

 
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