What do you feel would have happened?

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HexHammer
 
Reply Fri 16 Apr, 2010 07:02 pm
@onetwopi,
onetwopi;152650 wrote:
I'm guessing that what you are getting at here is -- Christianity led to America and America led to airplanes and computers ??

Somehow I'm not making the leap with you from Jesus to high pressure aluminium.
Sorry didn't see your post, but I will now reply to it.

I should have specifyed that I was talking about the crusades, and that alone changed much of europe and middle east. My previous statemen has nothing to do with the christian belive in itself.
 
onetwopi
 
Reply Fri 23 Apr, 2010 09:51 pm
@HexHammer,
7skullz et al,
Do you think that Christianity brought a significant moral influence to the world for good? I.e. has Christianity had an overall positive impact on the world? It certainly has been used for evil enough times (crusades, slavery, suppression of women's rights).
 
Razzleg
 
Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2010 12:08 am
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;152607 wrote:
- our world would most likely still be flat.
- our thinking and technology would be slower
- no WWII giving us jetengine
- no high pressure aluminum for jetplanes
- no computers
- poor medical knowledge

- the middle east would most likely be more advanced than us


Just for the record, Greek astronomers and navigators had theorized that the Earth was spherical about 600 BCE.
 
prothero
 
Reply Sat 24 Apr, 2010 10:50 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;152161 wrote:
I suspect that some similar religion would have come along. And eventually one with an incarnation myth. We may have had worse wars. Hard to say. Resources and population growth..the greed of those who can start wars without having to fight them. And also this: in times with worse nutrition and medicine, a death on the battlefield was a clean out, that payed well (in some cases) compared to the alternative. Just thoughts.Smile
Most elements of the Christian story are found in earlier myths and middle eastern religions, including the virgin birth, the incarnation, crucifixtion, resurrection from the death, life after death etc. There is nothing that unique about the Chrisitian story except its remarkable spread. It is apparently an idea whose time had come and its adoption by the Roman emporer and its ultimate adoption as the official religion of the Roman empire did not hurt either. There is something in the Christian message that appeals to deep human desires and its persistance in modern times is something to be noted. Scientific naturalism and atheism do not address those deep human needs and desires.
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Mon 26 Apr, 2010 07:50 am
@Razzleg,
Razzleg;155972 wrote:
Just for the record, Greek astronomers and navigators had theorized that the Earth was spherical about 600 BCE.
Yes indeed, just sad that "might makes right" thus the Pope could dictate nonsens ..as usual.
 
mark gamson
 
Reply Thu 6 May, 2010 07:45 am
@7skullz,
Christ would still have been arrested and have been crucified because that was the point.
 
onetwopi
 
Reply Fri 7 May, 2010 08:38 pm
@HexHammer,
HexHammer;156703 wrote:
Yes indeed, just sad that "might makes right" thus the Pope could dictate nonsens ..as usual.


Or, as is in vogue now, cash makes right. If I were Galileo I would still be pissed at the pope et al.
 
mark noble
 
Reply Mon 17 May, 2010 02:51 pm
@onetwopi,
Hi all,

About the world ever having been referred to as "Flat": It never has been, that is a modern misconception that has spread upon the tongue of folly. All the early civilisations knew the earth was spherical. Check them out...

Thank you, and fruit fantastically.

Mark...

---------- Post added 05-17-2010 at 09:55 PM ----------

onetwopi;155951 wrote:
7skullz et al,
Do you think that Christianity brought a significant moral influence to the world for good? I.e. has Christianity had an overall positive impact on the world? It certainly has been used for evil enough times (crusades, slavery, suppression of women's rights).


Hi Mike,

Devils are bound to tread in the footprints of Gods, and there only.

Be brilliant Mike

Mark...
 
Rseferaj
 
Reply Mon 17 May, 2010 10:43 pm
@7skullz,
Coming from someone who has been actively involved in studying Patristic Theology, Mystical Theology and other ancient Christian-related literature, the answer, from a CHRISTIAN, Biblical perspective, is: the same thing that happened.

The reasoning is simple: if you thumb through the Old Testament, you will find certain "prophets" that hint at the coming of the Messiah - the Messiah being the Theanthropo or God-Man, Jesus.

The problem, however, is not to be found in the Old Testament - seeing as Jewish are generally unanimous in their theological orientation. To answer your 'What IF..." question in a more succinct manner, I suggest you read (about) the early Christian literature - which contains HUNDREDS of documents that DO NOT agree with the general "orthodox" conception of Christianity. As a matter of fact, there is a Gospel of Judas wherein Judas and Jesus had PLANNED everything beforehand....

Pretty shocking, right?

All "Christians" that you'll stumble across have pretty much adopted the Nicene version of Christianity; that is: they adopted the Nicene Creed. There have ALWAYS existed and still DO exist different, ANCIENT, pre-Niece versions of Christianity: see Coptic Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Nestorian Church of the East, and etc. There were, at one point, Gnostic Christians, which, unfortunately, have been driven to extinction by "orthodox" Christianity.

Interesting stuff I tell you....
 
mark noble
 
Reply Tue 18 May, 2010 08:30 am
@Rseferaj,
Rseferaj;165550 wrote:
Coming from someone who has been actively involved in studying Patristic Theology, Mystical Theology and other ancient Christian-related literature, the answer, from a CHRISTIAN, Biblical perspective, is: the same thing that happened.

The reasoning is simple: if you thumb through the Old Testament, you will find certain "prophets" that hint at the coming of the Messiah - the Messiah being the Theanthropo or God-Man, Jesus.

The problem, however, is not to be found in the Old Testament - seeing as Jewish are generally unanimous in their theological orientation. To answer your 'What IF..." question in a more succinct manner, I suggest you read (about) the early Christian literature - which contains HUNDREDS of documents that DO NOT agree with the general "orthodox" conception of Christianity. As a matter of fact, there is a Gospel of Judas wherein Judas and Jesus had PLANNED everything beforehand....

Pretty shocking, right?

All "Christians" that you'll stumble across have pretty much adopted the Nicene version of Christianity; that is: they adopted the Nicene Creed. There have ALWAYS existed and still DO exist different, ANCIENT, pre-Niece versions of Christianity: see Coptic Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, Nestorian Church of the East, and etc. There were, at one point, Gnostic Christians, which, unfortunately, have been driven to extinction by "orthodox" Christianity.

Interesting stuff I tell you....


Hi Rseferaj,

Nice to meet you, and Welcome!
Good of you to point out the "Judas Gospel"; It's a fantastic read, and shows the real truth behind the process involved. Some Christians are aware of this, but tend to dismiss due to the obvious implications. And Constantine? Psychotic as the day is long...

Thank you, and fare well, sir.

Mark...
 
 

 
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