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please don't make stories or possibilities...
Just ask the church about anything
maybe they can tell you the nature of Satan
please don't tell things unconfirmed...
---------- Post added 04-19-2010 at 10:20 AM ----------
It seems you do not have a knowledge on Cristianity
Satan is not equal to God and right now he is tormented in hell.
Evil is the absence of good
Evil is the same as nothingness
Satan have taken out his goodness against God
Because Satan have taken out his goodness against God
God left him to nothingness
and now Satan is taking his revenge to God by bringing humans to nothingness
And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Seems you distrot christianity with weird expressions, and a bit farfetched poetry.
Satan is already in the bottomless pit. he rebel against the goodness of god, his overweening pride brings him to nothingness where goodness is not present.
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more
Satan become evil by loosing his goodness for his overweening pride.
as we all know that evil is the absence of good and pride is the absence of humility and absence is same as nothingness. his continues seeking of nothingness is the cause of his loosing perfection or fullness.
and if God can bring him down to nothingness then he is not as powerful as God. a proof that God does not need Satan.
God is quite egoistic then- smiting others into bottomless pits because they're proud.
Satan is already in the bottomless pit. he rebel against the goodness of god, his overweening pride brings him to nothingness where goodness is not present.
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more
Satan become evil by loosing his goodness for his overweening pride.
as we all know that evil is the absence of good and pride is the absence of humility and absence is same as nothingness. his continues seeking of nothingness is the cause of his loosing perfection or fullness.
and if God can bring him down to nothingness then he is not as powerful as God. a proof that God does not need Satan.
What consists his evil of? ..only stateing that he was equal to God? ..isn't that a bit pitiful?
He thinks of him of too much perfection, he thinks that no one is higher than him other than God. He have a greatjealous in relating towards humans. he want God to think of him better than any humans, seeing humans as his great rivalry, he tends to do anything to bring down humanity up to the point in which he fight against God. in which he ultimately failed and throw away from what he seeks nothingness.
knowing that pride is 1 of the 7 deadly sins and other than it is always written first, it is considered by many as the greatest among the 7 sins.
not just pride, he also posses some of the 7 capital sins or maybe all of it. (such as greed,lust,wrath,envy, etc.)
Attacking God is also one of the greatest evil thing he done, knowing that the first 4 parts of the 10 commandments is about God and considered as the most important among other commandments.
not just the first 4 parts, how about the things he done to many humans.
it will count as 10, all of the 10 ten commandments
i believe he is successfully done the 7 capital sins and disobeying the ten commandments.
and doing those things is enough for him to be throw away on what he seeks: the nothingness, the absence of anything in short hell where there is no comfort only the absence of it: pain.
i dont think there is a point in this thread anymore...
Most of this, isn't it something you'r making up, else please show me where it is in the bible.
In Genesis 3: the Satan's first appearance in the old testament is as the serpent in the garden of Eden. The serpent tempts Adan and Eve into eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which God had forbidden them to eat, thus causing their expulsion from the garden and indirectly causing sin to enter the world.
Isaiah 14:12-15 also seems to describe Satan's fall.
Satan was among the highest of all angels and the "brightest in the sky". His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. The popularly held beliefs that Satan was once a prideful angel who eventually rebels against God
In Genesis 3: the Satan's first appearance in the old testament is as the serpent in the garden of Eden. The serpent tempts Adan and Eve into eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which God had forbidden them to eat, thus causing their expulsion from the garden and indirectly causing sin to enter the world.
in the New Testament, with the serpent in Eden, in Revelation 12:9: "This great dragon the ancient serpent called the Devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world was thrown down to the earth with all his angels."
Isaiah 14:12-15 also seems to describe Satan's fall.
Satan was among the highest of all angels and the "brightest in the sky". His pride is considered a reason why he would not bow to God as all other angels did, but sought to rule heaven himself. The popularly held beliefs that Satan was once a prideful angel who eventually rebels against God
If you believe in God and you believe God is both omnipresent and omnipotent and all powerful and all good, then how can you believe in Satan? In God's world there can be no Satan and no evil. This is the hypocrisy of the Church founded on fear. There has to be an evil if there is a good so in God we divide his presence into a dual expression of Good and Evil.
Likewise if it was only evil, then there would be no good. Satan is a creation of mankind. The twisted, ill informed and misguided human that brings forth the evil where evil would otherwise have no existence. If one believes in Satan and believes in God, they are sort of worshiping two deities, separate from each other.
Heaven and Hell is likewise a creation of man in an attempt to describe that which man creates each and everyday his physical body awakens in this world of materialistic deities. It's an illusion because there can only be heaven if there is God. Hell is a monkey on our back and for some reason we keep creating more and more of it.
It's the fear of hell that keeps many in the church in check. Otherwise the need for the church would be obsolete. Therefore the foundation of the Church is fear... an illusion but it does have it's place in politics, doesn't it.
Seems like you only say Satan is evil, because other tells you to think so. As I see it he did us a great favor, in letting us eat the apple. Now we know what is right and wrong, we can engineer bridges, computer chips, medical instruments ..send a man on the moon.
If Satan didn't let us eat the apple, we would still wander aroud naked, still being idiots.
..what do you prefer?
I choose Satan any day.
How do you know for certain that the story of the serpent is a direct link to Satan? I know this is what some consider but I see no link. If I remember right, doesn't the story continue with god cursing the snake to crawl on it's belly from that point on because of this tempting of Eve? If the serpent is Satan why wouldn't god acknowledge it and what is the point of cursing the snake to crawl on it's belly if it were just Satan in disguise? Makes no sense.
If god is so great, and these angels have first hand knowledge of god. What would ever make them want to turn away?
if god knows the right thing, he already give it on us.
but we loss it and now we seek this losses but we pick the wrong ones.
we don't need power to sustain us, we just need what is good for us, too much is not good, it corrupts us as our souls cannot contain that great power, we are limited, good cannot contain that too much,good always pick good and excess power is not good, in order not to waste those power, we bring it for evil, in which is infinite, infinite space to contain such power which is nothingness.
power will always loss, power which sustain us in which we forever seeks, forever troubles us.
power does not really solves problem it just escape it, it will still haunt you, in order to really solve this problem is to finish it and the only one who can finish is god.
