Beware the Pharisee, kids!! No offense, K, just razzing you. Is the myth dead for you? What's your poison? What myth moves you? Certainly you must like art, fiction, music, something subjective.

If Christ is totality incarnate, he would include the lowest of the low, as well as being the lord of lords. It all depends on how you like your Jesus. I say Jesus is a mask, a magic wand, an incantation, a positronic trigger for individuation. Beam us up, lamb of Gott.

That's just it. I think the Christ myth is subversively individualistic. Hegel thought so to. Zizek wrote a book about this subversive core. Nietzsche was a disguised example of it. I made a thread "Absolute Subversive Christianity." I realize my view of Christ is idiosyncratic and Blakean. Also Jungian. THe point is that God takes the form of one man, and that this man has certain extra features, makes oracular statements, is publicly executed. How often is a God publicly executed as a criminal? The sublime myth has been associated with its opposite. Modern Applied Christianity is Caiaphas, not Jesus. Visit my thread if the subject interests you.

I respect that. But there is historical Jesus and mythl Jesus. Myth Jesus is more important. He spreads like Promise. You down with C.G. Jung? Or the mystical side of Plato?

Everybody is a Buddha
but
Not everybody is the Buddha

"When everyone is somebody, no one is anybody" W.S. Gilbert

Everybody is a Buddha
but
Not everybody is the Buddha

If you study the bible you'll have seen that God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son. Gen.22;2 But then God stopped him short and counted it to him for righteousness.
Then about 2400 years later, after having us read and re-read all about Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his only son, God sacrificed his only son Jesus christ on the cross. Only he didn't hold back. If you think that it wasn't God's son, well poor God. He did that and just because you don't yet understand you slander him with negitive and half carring words. Praise the lord that he will probably forgive you as he said "forgive them father for they know not what they do." Then Jesus died. dan b

There is absolutely NO reason why Jesus needed to die. Not for me, and not for anyone. I am not guilty of anything. You can call yourself guilty if you want to, but that only applies to you, not to me. Christianity is a game of guilt and sell. They guilt you into believing you are apart of some horrible crime then sell you the solution to keep you going around in circles of guilt and feeling the need to buy your way to heaven. It's nothing more than control and enslavement. So you can believe Jesus is necessary, but I don't care. Toss me into the pit if you want but it is all just make believe mental abuse.

There is absolutely NO reason why Jesus needed to die. Not for me, and not for anyone. I am not guilty of anything. You can call yourself guilty if you want to, but that only applies to you, not to me. Christianity is a game of guilt and sell. They guilt you into believing you are apart of some horrible crime then sell you the solution to keep you going around in circles of guilt and feeling the need to buy your way to heaven. It's nothing more than control and enslavement. So you can believe Jesus is necessary, but I don't care. Toss me into the pit if you want but it is all just make believe mental abuse.

I think you are right, absolutely, about this b.s. christianity that abuses its own myths.....

But there is an esoteric meaning to the Christ myth which is not the least bit superstitious but symbolic of the fundamental structure of the human mind....

Hegel saw this, and based his philosophy on it.. He was an atheist, and also, in a twisted sense, a Christian. It's all in my avatar.

Well I think you are wanting to find something because you are looking for a pattern. Just like a person laying back on the ground during a partially cloudy day sees all sorts of shapes and objects within the clouds. If you look hard enough you can turn a triangle into any possible three combination of things.

For the triangle you are proposing to even work, first you would have to sell me on the idea that a god or gods exist. So far there is nothing that I find satisfying to say that any such thing exists. So there goes one point of your triangle right there. If you collapse that point then all the other points pretty much lose their meaning as well.

Everyone is Jesus.....logically speaking. But Jesus is not supernatural, but only transcendental.

Jesus was the most supernatural person to ever walk the earth, he healed the blind, cured the lepers,walked on water, raised Lazarus from the dead, spoke words of wisdom like no other, he was dead but rose from the death in the resurrection, no more influential and remarkable person ever walked the earth, he is the true GODMAN

I understand your doubts. The triangle is just a symbol.. Let me ask you this..

Do you think that man's consciousness is structured? You probably do, for you are probably like me, a scientific type. In fact, I would be impressed if you are as hard core an atheist as I was, and really still am. Yes, I'm a total atheist in the usual sense of the word, more than I was a week ago.

Hegel discovered the foundation of logic and language. It's that simple. And it's structure is well represented by a cross or a triangle. Why? It's really quite simple. Man's mind, as Kant saw, structures its perception. It does this in two basic ways. Ideal geometry is an example of the first. We can't help but think of space in a particular way. In fact, we can't not think of space. The best we can do is think of empty space.

Kant knew this much.. But I don't think Kant knew the other transcendental, but perhaps I just haven't got that far. In any case, Hegel did know the other transcendental. And this transcendental is digital. We can't help but think of things as unities, or wholes. Even to think of pieces is to think of wholes. We can zoom in or out, but it's always unities.

All Hegel realized was that all religion was a misunderstanding of the human mind. The real is rational, because man is compulsively or transcendentally rational. By rational, I mean numerical,to speak loosely. (I'll complete this if you are interested, as it is tough). And this rationality is also at the core of language, or words. Like I said, we can only think in unities. Period.

But when we try to apply our digital thought to our transcendental geometry, we find that it doesn't work. That there is an infinity of numbers between any two numbers you choose. We can see in continuity, but we can only think in objects. Man is the collision of these two ways of experience reality, and nothing else. Except that this collision makes language possible, which allows us to culturally evolve.

Hegel is as scientific as the law of gravity. He's a thorough guy. He's just hard to understand. But he's the guy who found the foundation of logic & language itself.

In his view, we must accept our mortality in order to see the structure of our being. He also sees what Jung saw, that there is a sort of spiritual itch in us. And this is the source of human progress in every sense of the word. This itch is pure negativity, which cannot be conceived, but only represented imperfectly within our language. And wisdom is nothing but recognizing all of this.