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Insty
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 02:02 am
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"Amen, I say to you, all sins and all blasphemies that people utter will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the holy Spirit will never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an everlasting sin." (Mark 3: 28-29).
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"Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matthew 12:31-32).
What is your understanding of the unforgivable/unpardonable sin referred to in these passages? Is it possible for someone who believes in God to commit this sin? Or does the sin essentially refer to the person who has given up on God?
 
William
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 03:34 am
@Insty,
Unforgivable? What does that mean? That's man's word. Most of the words we use are man's words when an understanding God would know "why" any sin would be committed, right? Guilt is a terrible thing and can cause man to resort to desperate measures if he feel his "soul" is lost. I am not going to go into all that represents now but if the truth were known we would be more forgiving entities ourselves. That is crux of all reason to understand "why" individuals do what they do. Hopefully one day when we stop pointing fingers because none are so pure, we will be able live in a world that is capable of rectifying our wrongs and proceed in the right direction.

William
 
Deckard
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 04:26 am
@Insty,
Insty;126977 wrote:
What is your understanding of the unforgivable/unpardonable sin referred to in these passages? Is it possible for someone who believes in God to commit this sin? Or does the sin essentially refer to the person who has given up on God?



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That text has caused an unspeakable amount of misery in the world, for all sorts of people have imagined that they have committed the sin against the Holy Ghost, and though that it would not be forgiven them either in this world or in the world to come. I really do not think that a person with a proper degree of kindliness in his nature would have put fears and terrors of this sort into the world. - Bertrand Russell


I wish I had something more erudite to offer here. I read the Bible as fiction/poetry full of truth but not literal truth "for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life." In a text as huge as the Bible there is bound to be at least a few lines of bad poetry. But there can be wisdom in bad poetry sometimes. To be Wise is to know ones limits and to know ones limits one must first know that there are limits...even to forgiveness.

The Holy Spirit is the least comprehensible of the the three components of the trinity. We know what fathers and sons are but what are spirits and how do they relate to fathers and sons. I flirt with the idea that the Holy Spirit is female. The Holy Spirit seems to be more sacred than both (though doctrinally he/she/it is equal) for the Holy Spirit remains a divine mystery even more than the other two.

What is the unforgivable sin? It is the limit. If all is forgivable then all is permitted. We know this not to be true in our heart of hearts. All is not permitted. There are things that we would not permit ourselves to do. Perhaps those verses that speak of the unforgivable sin are not such bad poetry after all. Indeed they may be some of the finest verses in the whole Bible.

Those verses speak of a limit to forgiveness and it is clear that the idea of a limit is necessary. It is possible to go to far. There is a last exit and it is possible to miss the last exit when driving on that proverbial highway to Hell. If there was no last exit the driver would forever be saying: "I'm doing fine, I'll take the next exit. There is still time."

Perhaps it is good poetry, perhaps bad but rendered into modern parlance this is what it means to me:

Take the next exit.

There is wisdom in recognizing that there is a point of no return.
 
Twirlip
 
Reply Thu 11 Feb, 2010 03:32 pm
@Insty,
I'm not a Christian, but for what it's worth, I vaguely understand the Holy Spirit to be that aspect of God which is present in all of us, and Jesus to be saying that to curse this spirit as demonic is itself a demonic thing to do. I think it's like what child abusers do to their victims; and perhaps Jesus's particular hatred of this particular sin is connected with his particular hatred of sins committed against children; but that may be just my own personal association.
 
melonkali
 
Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2010 06:04 pm
@Insty,
I don't have a well thought-out answer for this one, either, but I think Twirlip's on the right track. The Holy Spirit, perhaps, refers to some "inner voice" or "intuitive conscience" or "moral imperative" inside all (or most?) people. Maybe?
 
 

 
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