If there is a thread that needs to be stricken from the record, this one should.
Pornography and grace, what an insane grouping.
Are porn addicts unfit for the grace of Christ? Perhaps I should have made it about drug addicts then. Are drug addicts unfit for the grace of Christ? How about liars? The profane? The greedy? The covetous? The lust full?
Which one of these characteristics is unfit for the grace of Christ? What good is grace without a decadence to offer it to?
Damn! Do not waste time using disparaging remarks.
You mean don't waste time with disparaging remarks like:
"Pornography and grace, what an insane grouping
Without an explanation beyond nothing more than your opinion, have you not wasted time with your own comment?
This is the last time I will visit this thread.
Are you a man of your word?
It seems moderation has gone to sleep at the helm here.
No not at all. Apparently I accidentally posted the OP under the wrong category and moderation kindly directed it to the proper one.
---------- Post added 01-20-2010 at 09:36 AM ----------
The energy, the desire, the passion, the strength and the lust which accompany its subject matter (pornography) is wanted; in this sense it can be said that pornography is just a subverted manifestation of what is wanted by God...
Great word choice... "subverted manifestation".
Excellent insight. Thanks for the comment.
---------- Post added 01-20-2010 at 09:39 AM ----------
My original post carried almost no weight
You are indeed a man of your word. Well done.
---------- Post added 01-20-2010 at 09:50 AM ----------
It was the intrinsic value of the sermon i was primarily concerned with, not with it's external effects.
That "intrinsic value" is only valuable when weighed against the "external effects" it is designed to prosper.
Let's not limit this to just the porn addict. Grace is offered to anyone who has somehow managed to butcher the truth
of their own life. It's the spiritual equal to getting a fresh start.
I'm a father. If my child were ever to fall into drug addiction, he would more than likely seek to hide that addiction from me. He knows it is wrong. He knows it destroys himself. And he is ashamed to let his father know of the mess he's made of his life. He does not wish to endure the judgment of his father. He does not wish to disappoint his father.
But if he understood grace, then he would also know that my love for him is stronger than my hatred for his addictions. Knowing this may provide him the only helping hand out of his addictions before they consume him entirely. The truth of his life is butchered. The grace of his father offers life anew.
---------- Post added 01-20-2010 at 10:05 AM ----------
I would be grateful if you could exhibit the function of sacrifice in social order...Had you said it is a tool for control I wouldve agreed
Grace is not the same as Forgiveness. Grace is undeserved forgiveness without a memory.
Let's say a woman forgives her husband for infidelity. If she ever brings it up again in a later argument, then that is NOT grace. Grace must forget entirely.
Let's say I wreck your car uninsured. I can earn your forgiveness by paying to fix your car. But that's not grace. To offer me grace, I wouldn't have to earn forgiveness by fixing your car, and you would completely forget about it and never bring it up again.
Yes, you would take a loss. Your sacrifice would indeed take on a material and financial loss. But what kind of spiritual gain would you benefit from the ability to give grace to another human being?