I am only suggesting that your mind is involved in everything you think and my mind is involved with everything that I think, and there is no way that I can see to disentangle the observer from the observed. In other words, there does not seem to be a mind independent truth.
What ever you perceive is based upon your senses and your mind and what ever you transmit is dependent upon the same, and whatever I perceive from you or otherwise is the same. It is all completely entangled. It would be like trying to separate the light waves/particles that are creating the hologram from the source waves and the hologram itself. They all seem to be entangled to produce the ultimate image.
Rich:01 PM ----------
That my mind is involved in everything I think is a tautology. So I would not deny that. But that does not mean that my mind is involved with whatever is the object of my thinking. That would be a non-sequitur
For instance, my mind is involved with thinking about a rock, but it does not follow that my mind is involved with the rock I am thinking about. I can certainly think about something that does not exist, just as I can search for something that does not exist, like Ponce' de Leon, and The Fountain of Youth.
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Okay, then that is a unversally understood fact. No one will argue that point. But I also thnk it a bit trivial as it relates to those "facts" that will lead to a better understanding. Don't forget there are those who do not understand the word "raining"; they have a completely different word that constitutes that meaning. How will you communicate with them? Cooperative communication is everything, IMO. Let's not get bogged down in trivialities, for it only makes effective communication even worse. IMO. Try to explain to a blind person that has never seen an apple, what "the apple is red" means. That boggles the mind. Let's not try to boggle it even more.
I don't think I understand what it is you are arguing for. What I have been maintaining that that there are things that exist, and facts that are true, independently of thought or consciousness. Isn't it clear to you that before there were people or animals who were conscious, that there were objects like the Sun, the Moon, and the Stars, as well as the planet Earth? And that therefore, there were things that exist independently of human thought or consciousness?