@GoshisDead,
GoshisDead wrote:Black and white are categories with various subcategories amd supercatergoies embedded in them, so are stars, asteroids, long, short, etc...
Yes, we've covered that. Are they arbitrarily manufactured to satisfy our "needs"? What are our needs, anyway? Do they conform to any objective reality?
GoshisDead wrote:Think of it this way, what people try to do with artificial categorization is make a binary system (black)/not black, in other words try and define it in a dictionary-like manner, BLACK adj. the presence of all color.... this is not a category, it is a defenition. The mind as far as the cognitive scientists can tell registers not a defenition but a sense of blackness with varying degrees of faithfulness to the blackness prototype that fall under other superheadings such as light and dark and sub headings pitch black or gun metal black, both types of black one meaning true black the other being a metalic gloss black. These overlap with other prototypes and their super and sub categories such as night, black (the race) etc...
The first sentence is unclear. Do you mean to say that black is not real, but shades of black are? Night is usually black, but I wouldn't say that this makes it "overlapping" any sooner than I would say that cats or holes are "overlapping". As for "the black race", the same objection applies I think unless you refer to an individual as "a black" and mean not color but race. This is probably what you meant since "overlapping" makes sense here, because one word has two different meanings.
GoshisDead wrote:What is a star or asteroid?, at what point does short become long? are we not paritally dead (dying) at the same time we are living? where does the term "he's dead to me" come from. is a square the angle, the shape, the tool, or the dufus? IS a circle perfectly round or do the ends just have to touch? they all conform to objective reality as language and categorization is simply our way of relating to reality, they just don't conform in a binary manner. The binary function is superimposed for ideological convenience
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Stars and asteroids are objects. Short becomes long when you change it. Try scissors. Dying and being dead aren't the same thing. I don't know where that expression comes from. You could google it. I meant the geometric shape. Circles don't have ends, they have a circumference. I wish I knew what you meant. I get that you're saying language is confusing. I get it. I relate, because it confuses me all the time.
GoshisDead wrote:When i said it starts out grey, that was a metaphor for, it does not start as a defenition/binary concept, it starts out as a fuzzy prototype. The when i said the black and white are arbitraily superimposed, it was metaphor for we then define things to suit our needs, although when we speak and think that is not how we speak or think. The simple fact that we use metaphor, we transpose meaning and all the womnderful things we do with language show that categories cannot be strictly defined and confined, without retarding our ability to innovate and evolve.
I'm tired of disagreeing. Yeah, I agree. We shouldn't try to label things and pin things down or stuff them in our mental cubbyholes if they don't really fit.
But, but shouldn't we at least have a look under the hood? See if we can spot the various doohickeys and what not?
Thinking is different from dreaming, right? and feeling, oouu, how about feeling? That's weird, isn't it?