I read this with interest and hoped i was not guilty of your remarks..if i am i will try to be a bit less egotistic..im just hoping its my paranoia..

Oh no, not at all (least not that I see). This is, perhaps, just another axe of mine I grind.

... and for all I know I'm railing at myself. I do think; though, that this is important - that with all the metaphysical study and discourse *can* give, what it often takes away (in terms of keeping our feet on the ground) can cost too much.

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...pops up to profess "This is how the Universe is!"...

.. a deep respect for the vastness of Cause and Effect

I'd imbide first, before anything else, a deep respect for the vastness of
A deep, abiding respect for the vastness of phenomena - the likes of which we've barely scratched the surface - is conspicuously lacking in much of today's metaphysical dialog. Where is the humility? Where is the respect? Is there, out there somewhere, someone who is OK with admitting their gaps in knowledge? Or perhaps is our ego the only thing steering this boat?

On the other hand, I wanna be rich - I really do!

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Is not the following quote you telling us "how the universe is"?
Or is it you telling us how the universe is for you?

Is not the following quote you telling us "how the universe is"?
Or is it you telling us how the universe is for you?

Hey Nameless,

I think my first answer would be "neither", since cause-and-effect wasn't offered as an explanation of the "way things are". But I think I see where you're coming from and your point's well taken. Besides, I like to try and be a team player so I'll bite the hook...

... cause-and-effect - insomuch as we're able to understand what it is, its nature, its extent and so on - is but one example of what I see as "influences" or "principles" that seem to apply across a broad spectrum. Part of what I wanted to emphasize is that what other "principles" and "causes" there exist out there - framing "all that really is" - is clearly not known, and for this reason (if for no other) I'd think a healthy serving of humility is in order.

This all is just my view, which I'm afraid is compromised by the inescapable condition that I don't know everything (I say, proudly wearing my Captain Obvious Cloak and Tights)

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I think that, as 'humility' appears to be not a 'choice', from 'this' Perspective (the truly humble would never consider themselves so; one can seek it but never 'find' it), but...

... realizing the importance and role that 'individual' Perspective plays in everything that one perceives (and also how the ego tends to identify with thoughts, feelings, illusions, etc...), and realizing that all Perspectives are 'valid' for the 'complete picture', might provide that 'scientific humility' to allow all to live and let live; win/win/win rather then the medieval notion and biologically evolutional impetus of 'win (me)/lose (you)', which is becomming more and more obsolete as we learn more of 'reality'. I think that this is what you might be refering to as 'humility'? ... I think that speaking in E-Prime language might provide the semblance of 'intellectual humility' that you might be seeking.