i think philosophy is only usefull as a hobby, since mankind will never change.

I don't find it customary to question a person in their introductory post, but I must ask if you truly believe this.

If I may, I will point out a few examples of how, I think, philosophy has changed history.

Socrates and Plato are one example. Hegel points out that there was a fundamental shift in the mentality of the people during the time of Plato. I think he attributes it directly to Socrates. This shift was from the a person thinking of himself as an individual and not merely as a part of society.

Bacon and Descartes are another example. From what I understand, they brought about the fundamental theories behind modern science and scientific investigation. Which has been immensely influence to history.

I might add, I don't think the aim in philosophy should be to change mankind, but to improve the single individual. Philosophy has had a major impact in setting my life aright. And even though it has probably destroyed some peoples lives (or drove them literally insane), when approached in a humble way, what is more rewarding than investigating the starry skies above and the moral law within?

please urangutan. telling someone to bend to a truth isn't an insult. it's good advice. so thanx much, but then i am in kind of a good mood right now.

that brings into question the value of memory. you remember that you had a profound thought, but you don't know what the thought was. If your memory is faulty enough that you can't remember the actual thought, maybe the fact that it was profound is also faulty.

hello, i am idiot savant who gets bored with everything quickly, and so buys beer he can't afford just so the streamlined tv shows will seem interesting. curently laid off at the factory, so right now on unemplyment, and i live with my dad. But i do pay him rent.

i know i shouldn't post twice in a row but i forgot to say something about me and philosophy. i think philosophy is only usefull as a hobby, since mankind will never change. i have been interested in critical thinking sorta stuff since i was young. interestinly enough when i was about 10 i had the most personally striking thought of my life while lying in bed. it was wierd. the room span the idea was so deep. i awoke the next day and said to myself, "man that was wierd. what was the thought?" and i couldn't remember.

If I may, I will point out a few examples of how, I think, philosophy has changed history.

Socrates and Plato are one example. Hegel points out that there was a fundamental shift in the mentality of the people during the time of Plato. I think he attributes it directly to Socrates. This shift was from the a person thinking of himself as an individual and not merely as a part of society.

Bacon and Descartes are another example. From what I understand, they brought about the fundamental theories behind modern science and scientific investigation. Which has been immensely influence to history.

I might add, I don't think the aim in philosophy should be to change mankind, but to improve the single individual. Philosophy has had a major impact in setting my life aright. And even though it has probably destroyed some peoples lives (or drove them literally insane), when approached in a humble way, what is more rewarding than investigating the starry skies above and the moral law within?

Now, if you are interested in critical thinking, then you should be interested in the nature of arguments. You have just produced an argument (in bold above). The premise is that mankind will never change. The conclusion is that philosophy is useful only as a hobby. How does the premise support that conclusion? That is, how is that premise a reason for thinking that conclusion is true. I don't see how the conclusion follows from that premise. Can you explain how it does?