The transformation of qualia into a physically expressible concept

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Reply Mon 8 Mar, 2010 12:34 pm
If one assumes that the qualia of the mind is epiphenomenological then how can the physical medium (generator) of the mind "transform" qualia into a physically expressible concept?
One way this could happen is that the primary (here assuming - physical) phenomenon for which qualia is an "immediate" epiphenomenon is the one actually being "transformed".
But is it possible that there exist undiscovered physical "communication" between the epiphenomenon and its primary phenomenon?

I think that I sound relatively obscure, but I hope to dilute this by generating constructive feedback.
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Thu 11 Mar, 2010 09:59 pm
@QualiumPhysics,
It might help considerably if (1) you explained a bit more about the terminology instead of assuming the readers will know what you're talking about and (2) maybe give an illustration or an example which would suggest what this 'undiscovered physical communication' may or may not be responsible for.

(Personally, I had promised myself not to get involved in arguments where anyone uses the word 'qualia' but as you're new I will make an exception.:bigsmile:)
 
QualiumPhysics
 
Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2010 10:17 am
@jeeprs,
Hi jeeprs,

I've also assumed that other people will most likely assume that I've assumed what others know or have assumed Smile

This subject is hard to talk about.
One reason for this is that it seems (to me) that what I am trying to talk about is part of what enables me to talk about it.
I've tried to "define" what I am trying to talk about (here) many times, and this has so far shown to produce nothing "interesting". It all would sooner or later boil down to some sort of an "inefficient" semantic argument.
So, recently, I've been trying to "steer" other people's minds to the "proper impression"/state of my thoughts, by bombarding them laterally with certain mental constructs, hoping to keep the mind of the listener "in-line", or rather - in the "proper channel", which will (hopefully) inevitably lead him or her to my kind of thoughts. I guess this might be seen as a form of psychological manipulation, but I've found no other way to usefully talk about such things.

I don't see how "qualia" (along with some other "concepts") can be initially "defined" and "pre-cooked" productively, so I've chosen to take the "risk", and assume that other people's "understandings" or "impressions" of this concept would be "approximate" enough to allow for, at least moderately "interesting", philosophical development and construction.

So, I can keep on talking about it, but it might be much more "effective" if we simply started a discussion, thus hoping that your mind will be "stochastically" "steered" into a state "approximate" enough to mine to allow for the invitation of insights! Smile
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Fri 12 Mar, 2010 03:45 pm
@QualiumPhysics,
Thanks for the input, but I am finding it very hard to understand. So maybe we should start from considering this peculiar word, 'qualia'. I have noticed that it is never used outside of the debate with "philosophers" such as Daniel Dennett. Apparently it means a "sense-datum or feeling having a distinctive quality". At issue is whether one's subjective sense of being is real or simply a byproduct of cellular reactions in the mind and body.

Now I have always thought that the idea that we are simply the epiphenomena of matter was a bad argument. I don't see why it is worth arguing against. I know am familiar with the arguments of Dennett and Churchland, but I don't find them credible.
 
QualiumPhysics
 
Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2010 11:27 am
@jeeprs,
Let's close this thread Smile
Currently I think that it might be extremely hard, if not impossible, to "define" the fundamental concepts of this subject well enough to warrant a non-trivial discussion.
Thank you for participating!
 
 

 
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