I will add something else here. I think Western metaphysics could be best understood within a monastic order. It is basically incompatible with individualism, existentialism, and most other modern outlooks.
I agree! It runs counter to our lifestyle. I now see individualism as a lucifer, a "light bringer." individualism or satanism is a positive theology. self as mortal god. this rides well with a shattered society. i note that hegel is criticized for saying that man gets his meaning from a living culture, a state founded on the essence of the individuals. etc. of course the marxists had a different spin on this....
individualism is the negation of tribe-identity, so it is corrosive. the rich men and the middle class as well invest their money in international concerns. no loyalty to the whole. none of the good ethnocentrism that Spengler understood. living culture becomes cynical practical civilization. like an old fruit it rots until it falls apart. but a second religious may fall upon us, perhaps. not necessarily a wholesome one in secular eyes. perhaps a crude idolatrous although technologically friendly one?
one more point: i think the TLP is one of the greatest books of the century. and it is negative ontology of the highest order, better than nicolas of cusa. it was written in the trenches of ww1 by a man who half wanted to kill himself the honorable way. he was close to the negative. family full of suicides. interesting.
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You know what they will say, Jeeprs, that it is just a bunch of like minded people sharing their delusions or speculations together.
I happen to think that flashes of intuition are the source of most of our greatest advances in science and in all forms of the arts, That empirical experience can not explain creative advance.
I also think that scientific knowledge gives us only a very limited and partial view picture of the totality of reality and human experience. That everyone supplements the scientifc view of the world with aesthetic and values that involve metaphysical assumptions and philosophical specualtations.
The problem is that some just fail to see how much of their worldview is philosophical speculations and metaphysical assumptions. They can see how everyone elses views are just speculatons but not their own.
well said. but the paradox is in the last phrase. this too could fall beneath its own sword. of course i agree with it all. what is living epistemology? seduction by the beauty of an idea? possibly. also as vico said: to know it is to make it, to be able to make it. but what if one is making thoughts?
nietzsche made it his principle to have no principles. the paradox of the ironist. schlegel presented the notion of the "Transcendental buffoon." And hegel mocked these irony-mongers as he was a serious lad, except he was fun to catch a drink with, and knocked up a lass before he married yet another lass....but this is human. nietzsche the supreme ironist is in some ways less human, for all his genius. it seems that we cannot escape metaphysics. those who insist on viewing metaphysics as bunk are trapped/sheilded in their anti-metaphysic. perhaps a better test is to see what metaphysic survives debate. also, we should look at how the men live who have certain ideas. hiedegger could have used a more negative theology, so he couldn't have linked his feelings with the nazis. i used to think heidegger was a negative theologist, but he's just the minimal positive theologian.