The Transcendental Pretense

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jeeprs
 
Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2010 04:41 pm
@Reconstructo,
How would you define art, or athleticism? Some terms are so weighty they defy easy answers. My philosophy is mainly based on comparative religion and the wisdom traditions of the various cultures so I would define it in their terms. In Buddhism wisdom is 'prajna' the knowledge that has gone beyond. In Hindu philosophy it might be jnana, which is like gnosis. In the Greek tradition, there is the lovely Sophia, goddess of wisdom, who is usually depicted in the ancient cultures as a beautiful virgin. Her name is preserved in the word philosophy, and all but forgotten in philosophy departments.
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:17 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;130822 wrote:
In the Greek tradition, there is the lovely Sophia, goddess of wisdom, who is usually depicted in the ancient cultures as a beautiful virgin.


I continue to be fascinated by the symbolism of virginity. She's a virgin because penetration is not the way to find her?
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:30 pm
@Reconstructo,
surely it is a metaphor for purity. I don't think it is anything terribly oblique.

I have often noticed that in the East, the 'supreme wisdom' of Prajnaparamita is depicted as a female diety . Can't help notice a strong similarity to the Eastern Orthodox icon for Sophia (Sapientia)

An interesting subject to explore, I think.
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:33 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;131222 wrote:
surely it is a metaphor for purity. I don't think it is anything terribly oblique.


But why is virginity purity? What does this say about sex, or the hymen?

I suspect it hints toward the sublimation of eros. From Eve to Sophia. From lust to love. From red to blue.
 
Krumple
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:40 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;131222 wrote:
surely it is a metaphor for purity. I don't think it is anything terribly oblique.

I have often noticed that in the East, the 'supreme wisdom' of Prajnaparamita is depicted as a female diety . Can't help notice a strong similarity to the Eastern Orthodox icon for Sophia (Sapientia)

An interesting subject to explore, I think.


Well Avolakitesvara is probably depicted as female for some other reasons besides wisdom. From the stories I have read, this Bodhisattva realized enlightenment by listening to the sounds of the ocean waves breaking. Realizing that the sound does not stop when the wave is not breaking. That hearing never ceases even when there is no sounds heard. This made hearing perfected so she is known as the Bodhisattva who listens to the cries of the world. A more compassion based aspect of humanity depicted like a mother caring for the infants crying out because of their desires.
 
jeeprs
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:47 pm
@Reconstructo,
The link between virginity and purity is surely considerably more ancient than civlization itself. Volumes could be written on that. Here are a few aphoristic notes. One is the relationship between carnality and incarnation. Carnal in this sense means 'of the flesh' or 'bodily form'. The causal relationship between sex and existence is an ancient motif in all of the spiritual traditions. It is by this that we 'fall' into existence. Hence the connection between Adam and Eve and the fall of man. So a virgin is someone who has not yet 'fallen' into carnality (a.k.a. 'this vale of tears'). Hence also the importance of the virgin birth.

This all sounds outlandish to the modern. We are all deeply conditioned by dear Sigmund to regard libido as the essence of vitality. Western society just assumes that pleasure is the highest good, and sex is the highest pleasure, therefore the more you get of it, the better off you are. (I might be over complicating it a bit.)

Another reason why wisdom is female. Sophia has to be wooed, and wed. You can't command her, only entreat her and seduce her. 'You and I are everlasting lovers'. That kind of sentiment.
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 06:54 pm
@jeeprs,
jeeprs;131230 wrote:
The link between virginity and purity is surely considerably more ancient than civlization itself. Volumes could be written on that. Here are a few aphoristic notes. One is the relationship between carnality and incarnation. Carnal in this sense means 'of the flesh' or 'bodily form'. The causal relationship between sex and existence is an ancient motif in all of the spiritual traditions. It is by this that we 'fall' into existence. Hence the connection between Adam and Eve and the fall of man. So a virgin is someone who has not yet 'fallen' into carnality (a.k.a. 'this vale of tears'). Hence also the importance of the virgin birth.

This all sounds outlandish to the modern. We are all deeply conditioned by dear Sigmund to regard libido as the essence of vitality. Western society just assumes that pleasure is the highest good, and sex is the highest pleasure, therefore the more you get of it, the better off you are. (I might be over complicating it a bit.)

Another reason why wisdom is female. Sophia has to be wooed, and wed. You can't command her, only entreat her and seduce her. 'You and I are everlasting lovers'. That kind of sentiment.


Thank you! I find this quite convincing. Indeed, Schopenhauer focuses on sex this way. Perhaps Sophia is also female because the female tends to represent the Other for male consciousness. If wisdom is trans-rational or emotional, etc., then the female would, for men, well represent this.
 
Fil Albuquerque
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 10:17 pm
@Reconstructo,
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 11:48 pm
@Reconstructo,
Hold still while I affix my grid to this wealth of experience.

---------- Post added 02-23-2010 at 12:49 AM ----------

His grill was of steal.
 
Alan McDougall
 
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 10:38 pm
@Reconstructo,
Reconstructo;130397 wrote:
Well said. I also like metaphysics. Hume is a sort Flatland prophet. This made me wonder about his politics. Was he using skepticism against the ugly side of metaphysics/religion? Was religion his real target? Did he attack the rationalists in the name of the passions? Here's some info on his politics. He's a good figure to look at.
It is difficult to categorize Hume's political affiliations. His thought contains elements that are, in modern terms, both conservative and liberal, as well as ones that are both contractarian and utilitarian, though these terms are all anachronistic. His central concern is to show the importance of the rule of law, and stresses throughout his political Essays the importance of moderation in politics. This outlook needs to be seen within the historical context of eighteenth century Scotland, where the legacy of religious civil war, combined with the relatively recent memory of the 1715 and 1745 Jacobite risings, fostered in a historian such as Hume a distaste for enthusiasm and factionalism that appeared to threaten the fragile and nascent political and social stability of a country that was deeply politically and religiously divided. He thinks that society is best governed by a general and impartial system of laws, based principally on the "artifice" of contract; he is less concerned about the form of government that administers these laws, so long as it does so fairly (though he thought that republics were more likely to do so than monarchies).
Hume expressed suspicion of attempts to reform society in ways that departed from long-established custom, and he counselled people not to resist their governments except in cases of the most egregious tyranny[65]. However, he resisted aligning himself with either of Britain's two political parties, the Whigs and the Tories, and he believed that we should try to balance our demands for liberty with the need for strong authority, without sacrificing either. Neil McArthur (2007, p. 124) characterizes Hume as a 'precautionary conservative': whose actions would have been "determined by prudential concerns about the consequences of change, which often demand we ignore our own principles about what is ideal or even legitimate" [66] , He supported liberty of the press, and was sympathetic to democracy, when suitably constrained. It has been argued that he was a major inspiration for James Madison's writings, and the Federalist No. 10 in particular. He was also, in general, an optimist about social progress, believing that, thanks to the economic development that comes with the expansion of trade, societies progress from a state of "barbarism" to one of "civilisation". Civilised societies are open, peaceful and sociable, and their citizens are as a result much happier. It is therefore not fair to characterise him, as ****** Stephen did, as favouring "that stagnation which is the natural ideal of a skeptic".[67]


Hi could you please break up your posts into smaller readable paragraphs Smile
 
Reconstructo
 
Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2010 10:45 pm
@Alan McDougall,
Alan McDougall;133834 wrote:
Hi could you please break up your posts into smaller readable paragraphs Smile


I generally do. In this case I must apologize. Let me add that my notion of the "transcendental pretense" has changed. For the most part, I no longer consider it a pretense. I've lately been immersed in the transcendental. It's only the pseudo-transcendental we need to watch out for.

regards: recon
 
 

 
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