What is your reference regarding the claim that Aristotle claims dialectic to be above all other sciences?

In Book E of Metaphysics, Aristotle says that theology, or the science of things eternal, is "first" and "highest" among the sciences.

Aristotle's Metaphysics (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I have SEVERAL problems with this concept but, for the sake of saving time, I will only list the few which contradict your argument as a whole.

The fundamental basis of this argument is:

"The driving principle is this, if one cannot think correctly, they cannot act correctly-or even effect human will".


How do you, through this method of thought, define or describe "correctly"? To assume you know the answer to this immediately disqualifies your statement. This puts you in the category of those who cannot think.

The second downfall of this argument comes with the question:

"How could it be that if one did not know these things that they could ever believe that they can rightly think about anything at all?"

This, again, comes to the conclusion that you are correct and that everyone who does not think like you is wrong. This immediately discourages your arguments validity because it "defines" a world in which one is incapable of being right save for you. This is do to interpretation and perspective. So I would ask that you provide a more solid argument for this theory or admit that you have been overly obsessive with a certain class of ideas and are incapable of expanding outside of them.

I can answer every one of the questions I asked, and a great deal more, however I do not recall that I made that claim in the post. We must be reading different posts.

I will give you a hint though, every bit of "correct" grammar, can be traced back to if and if not you can, once giving it, keep your own word. Names are conventional, and if you do not know that every principle of grammar, logic, must maintain the original naming convention, then you know a great deal less about logic than you imagine. j.c.

You say that Aristotle admits that "dialectic is over all of the sciences" yet Aristotle says otherwise in Book E of his Metaphysics. So, what is your source?

You can acquire the complete works on the Internet Archive, and, if you desire to know what an author says about any word, do as I have done, make a word macro that pulls out the text of a word and builds a document with it, then you can sift it, and, well, take it from there. the macro I wrote one simply puts all the work in one directory, types in the word to locate, and the macro will open every document, find all occurances of the word, construct a document, and leave the results to trim down. This is how I learn all that is said about particular word from an author, even his contradictions.

I have the complete works of Aristotle - twice over, actually. Now, I have provided a source, where is yours? There is no sense telling me how to find what you claim exists in the writings - I have read them and then some. Instead, perhaps you can tell me where you find this supposed claim of Aristotle.

Good for you, Now, as an example of what I was saying, If you wish to find it, it is in the works of Aristotle. The Method I explained to you, you can find an example of it I posted on the Internet Archive, Aristotle on Definition. You can clearly see his confusion and contradiction in that work also. As far as me looking up the reference for you, I dare say, I am not going to do it.

Search johnclark8659 on the internet archive--I post audio-and ebooks of several things, freely downloadable, mainly the works of Plato.

That's what I figured - a claim is made, contradicted by a clear and obvious reference, and then the initial claimant refuses to provide a source.

We obvious not only have different versions of Aristotle, but different concepts on truth and slander.

There are actually many places in Aristotle,

Try this one,

"for diallectic is a process of criticism wherein lies the path to the principles of all inquiries."

I will lend you my copies if yours are short on everything Aristotle says about dialectic. j.c.

And where does that quote come from? That's all I'm asking. Tell me where to find this belief of Aristotle. Sheesh, not terribly complicated.