@alex717,
It needs to be considered that in the Eastern philosophies, existence is understood as suffering by those who have
gone beyond suffering. The Buddha is called 'tathagata' - one who has 'gone thus' (i.e. 'gone beyond suffering'.)
In this understanding, the Sages have a perspective which we don't have. And we don't really understand 'suffering as suffering', because we have never seen anything beyond suffering, so for us suffering is normal. This is the perspective of the 'First Noble Truth' of Buddhism - that 'existence is dukkha'.
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Quote:One thing I dislike about Buddhism (though this is not universal) is asceticism
The Buddha explcitly rejects asceticism (having endured a rigourously intense form of it for some years.) This is one meaning of 'middle path': neither asceticism nor indulgence lead to nirvana.