Is "sight" really all that important?

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Khethil
 
Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 01:43 pm
@Oh phil,
hammersklavier wrote:
... That is, the mindset in Indian thought is that what we hear is what's most important, and the rishis and gurus are those who have been able to tune into the sounds of reality, whereas we in the West think what we see is what's most important, and thus we have words like seer


This is interesting. I hadn't head this: Culturally-divergent emphasis on a particular sense. It's not so large a leap to accept as plausible.

hammersklavier wrote:
... And what have we found? That the more we penetrate what we previously considered impenetrable, the more we have realized that there are, in fact, smaller and smaller components of the Universe...

Thus, sound is an energy: rishis make out the subtler sounds of the world, tap into the sonic energy of the world, and that they say is reality. Sight, too is an energy: particle physicists make out the subtler sights of the world, tap into the physical* energy of the world, and that they say is reality. Are the two really different?

... Is not the unification of the world, then, the energy that underlies all things?


It could well be. I believe that a lot of people see it this way; perhaps this unification already exists, and there are just those of us who don't 'feel' it to be significant.

You bring up some interesting implications here; not the least of which is giving rise to the possibility that there are other sensory "levels" we simply can't perceive. Last night, I saw the beginning of a show my wife and I like ("Mythbusters") where they're about to prove or disprove that plants could actually sense moods and responded to the emotional tenor of those around them. As of right now, I don't know where they ended up, but it seems there's a good number who believe they do.

My point here is that I think your questions & suggestions have validity. I just wish I knew more and/or had that "extra organ" with which to sense whatever universality there may be.

Thanks
 
Didymos Thomas
 
Reply Wed 4 Feb, 2009 01:56 pm
@Khethil,
Oh! wrote:
I certainly have criticised his ideas, specifically I criticise his idea that the sensory apparatus of a particular geographical group of people operates differently to that of people in other parts of the world. And I haven't said his ideas seem strange to me, I said they are racist and absurd, for stated reasons.


I do not think it has been argued that the "sensory apparatus" of a particular people operates differently. Instead, it appears that the point is that a particular society places great importance upon hearing than upon sight in spiritual contexts. That argument is not racist: it's simply a statement about a society's spiritual notions.
 
Oh phil
 
Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 03:25 am
@Khethil,
Khethil;46694 wrote:
This is interesting. I hadn't head this: Culturally-divergent emphasis on a particular sense. It's not so large a leap to accept as plausible.


It bloody well is. Have you really thought about this Khethil? Put yourself in the place of a child growing up in India: do you really think that child is going to use his eyes and ears differently to a child in Peru?
 
Khethil
 
Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 05:42 am
@Oh phil,
Oh! wrote:
It bloody well is. Have you really thought about this Khethil? Put yourself in the place of a child growing up in India: do you really think that child is going to use his eyes and ears differently to a child in Peru?


If he's been taught/acclimated or through inculcation brought up to believe one has more worth or higher importance, then yes; I see it as completely possible.

Are you under the impression that, despite any cultural differences that emphasize the importance of one sense or another, every person uses each sense to an equal-and-identical import? I'm not

Thanks - I appreciate you asking
 
hammersklavier
 
Reply Thu 5 Feb, 2009 07:58 am
@Khethil,
Khethil wrote:
This is interesting. I hadn't head this: Culturally-divergent emphasis on a particular sense. It's not so large a leap to accept as plausible.



It could well be. I believe that a lot of people see it this way; perhaps this unification already exists, and there are just those of us who don't 'feel' it to be significant.

You bring up some interesting implications here; not the least of which is giving rise to the possibility that there are other sensory "levels" we simply can't perceive. Last night, I saw the beginning of a show my wife and I like ("Mythbusters") where they're about to prove or disprove that plants could actually sense moods and responded to the emotional tenor of those around them. As of right now, I don't know where they ended up, but it seems there's a good number who believe they do.

My point here is that I think your questions & suggestions have validity. I just wish I knew more and/or had that "extra organ" with which to sense whatever universality there may be.

Thanks

Actually, I saw that episode, Khetil. The build team ended up busting the myth in the end, and what I've wound up arguing out of this idea is that the energy wave of the electromagnetic spectrum and the sonic spectrum, especially when it concerns human perceptions and uses, are not so different after all.

P.S. Drish really does mean "to see" in Sanskrit. I double-checked. It's also the root of darshana, the Sanskrit word for philosophy (I wonder if it's semantically linked to nirvana?), so the rishi metaphor doesn't hold water, but it's certainly clear in Upanishadic thought that later Indian thinkers discarded the visual world as illusion or maya and built their system from (what they perceived to be) the transcendental experience of meditation. Proper recitation of the Vedas is still considered of paramount importance in Indian thought, and they even have a goddess (Vac or voice) devoted to it--much as proper recitation of the Koran in Muslim thought or the Torah in Jewish thought are also considered to be of paramount importance.

Thus, via the theory of maya prevalent in Upanishadic and Vedanta thought, we can say with some authority that Indian thinkers were quite inclined to doubt what they saw with their own eyes, and instead be inclined to perceive what they heard with their own ears (Upanishad literally means "sit down close to [and listen]") because, to Indian minds, the truth they heard from the sakhya gurus was the truth revealed--after all, the gurus had experienced (or, at least were close to experiencing) moksha or nirvana (both terms are used in Hindu thought: nirvana is actually used in the Bhagavad-Gita)--enlightenment, total knowledge of truth.

Now, some people on this board would be tempted to say that the Indian concept of maya inherently implies that they believed the material world evil, a la the Manichaeans, but it seems to me the obverse is actually the truth. After all, Brahman has a dual quality: it can either be nirguna (in a state of repose and nonaction) or saguna (acting); what we regard the material world is a natural outgrowth of Brahman saguna, thereby meaning that maya does not break cosmic dharma (sacred duty, or the Indian conception of what is right) and is not itself intrinsically wrong.
 
 

 
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