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Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2010 02:11 pm
Would anyone like to comment on this info? https://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/stle/stle14.htm :detective:
 
Jebediah
 
Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2010 02:25 pm
@reasoning logic,
It sounds dubious :Not-Impressed:

Googling around I find this:

The Myth of a 'Stolen Legacy'

Quote:
Anyone who has studied ancient Mediterranean history will realize that these assertions are untrue, both in general and in particular Anyone who has studied the works of Plato and Aristotle, even in translation, will wonder why their instructors never referred to the Egyptian background of these philosophical works. Anyone familiar with the history of ancient philosophy will know that the "Egyptian" Mystery System James describes in his book is in fact based on an eighteenth-century French reconstruction of neoplatonic philosophy, which contains a few Egyptian elements, but is fundamentally Greek.


Which makes it sound like revisionist history in support of a cause.
 
reasoning logic
 
Reply Sat 13 Mar, 2010 02:33 pm
@Jebediah,
Jebediah;139374 wrote:
It sounds dubious :Not-Impressed:

Googling around I find this:

The Myth of a 'Stolen Legacy'



Which makes it sound like revisionist history in support of a cause.

Yes I do see your point, It was something I stumbled on and did not want to do the research myself that is why I asked. I am curious of what others may say.Smile
 
Pyrrho
 
Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2010 10:11 am
@reasoning logic,
This old thing. Well, if one reads the Greeks, one will find that they admired the Egyptians, which is a much older civilization. The Greeks, like everyone else of any sense, freely borrowed whatever ideas they found of value in other cultures that they encountered. So, some ideas the Greeks had were had previously by Egyptians and others. But, the Egyptians were of various races (as anyone can tell by looking at the various colors of the paintings that the Egyptians made), so their culture is not specifically "black culture" (nor is it "white culture" either). And more importantly, there is nothing in the ancient Egyptian literature that reaches the levels reached by the Greeks. In other words, the borrowings that the Greeks did was not the end of their contribution to civilization; they expanded old ideas and developed new ideas.

If we look at the roots of civilization, we will find them in various places, like Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq), Egypt, India, and China. In a sense, every culture since those civilizations started have borrowed ideas from one or more of these civilizations. But it would only be a "stolen" legacy if one denied such things, and that is something the Greeks did not deny. They never pretended to be the earliest civilization. As an example of something important the Greeks did, they brought mathematics to a higher level than it had been previously. But they did not invent mathematics, nor did they pretend that they invented it. But their bringing mathematics to a higher level is something that is important, and we have borrowed that higher level from the Greeks, and we have gone further still with mathematics (as a society, not that most people in modern society have gone further with mathematics than the Greeks).

So, there is some truth in the claim of a "stolen legacy", but it is a twisted version of the truth. It is also worth pointing out that what I state above is nothing more than what scholars have been saying for centuries. There is no vast conspiracy to deny the importance of Egypt for the development of civilization. And there has been no vast conspiracy to pretend that the ancient Egyptians were blond, blue-eyed nordic types. Think back when you were a student; in history classes in grade school, what were you told about the earliest civilizations? Surely, no one told you it was Greece that was the first civilization. And if they did, you must have gone to a very backward school.
 
GoshisDead
 
Reply Mon 15 Mar, 2010 12:23 pm
@Pyrrho,
Its not nice asking a true or false question when the minimum character restriction is more than the number of characters in either true or false
 
reasoning logic
 
Reply Tue 23 Mar, 2010 02:31 pm
@Pyrrho,
Pyrrho;139943 wrote:
This old thing. Well, if one reads the Greeks, one will find that they admired the Egyptians, which is a much older civilization. The Greeks, like everyone else of any sense, freely borrowed whatever ideas they found of value in other cultures that they encountered. So, some ideas the Greeks had were had previously by Egyptians and others. But, the Egyptians were of various races (as anyone can tell by looking at the various colors of the paintings that the Egyptians made), so their culture is not specifically "black culture" (nor is it "white culture" either). And more importantly, there is nothing in the ancient Egyptian literature that reaches the levels reached by the Greeks. In other words, the borrowings that the Greeks did was not the end of their contribution to civilization; they expanded old ideas and developed new ideas.

If we look at the roots of civilization, we will find them in various places, like Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq), Egypt, India, and China. In a sense, every culture since those civilizations started have borrowed ideas from one or more of these civilizations. But it would only be a "stolen" legacy if one denied such things, and that is something the Greeks did not deny. They never pretended to be the earliest civilization. As an example of something important the Greeks did, they brought mathematics to a higher level than it had been previously. But they did not invent mathematics, nor did they pretend that they invented it. But their bringing mathematics to a higher level is something that is important, and we have borrowed that higher level from the Greeks, and we have gone further still with mathematics (as a society, not that most people in modern society have gone further with mathematics than the Greeks).

So, there is some truth in the claim of a "stolen legacy", but it is a twisted version of the truth. It is also worth pointing out that what I state above is nothing more than what scholars have been saying for centuries. There is no vast conspiracy to deny the importance of Egypt for the development of civilization. And there has been no vast conspiracy to pretend that the ancient Egyptians were blond, blue-eyed nordic types. Think back when you were a student; in history classes in grade school, what were you told about the earliest civilizations? Surely, no one told you it was Greece that was the first civilization. And if they did, you must have gone to a very backward school.


Thank you Pyrrho. It is amazing how much I forgot about history. You have gone far beyond the call of duty to refresh my memory. I am sure that others will read your post and learn as well. Smile
 
HexHammer
 
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 02:44 pm
@reasoning logic,
The certificate of the link isn't ok!
 
froach
 
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 02:53 pm
@HexHammer,
I found it was untursted as well but heres the main site link, as its not been like that before
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