Hello MITech,

Do you literally suffer from schizophrenia? If so I hope you know that simplifying your life is the best medicine. I have a cousin who was a diagnosed schizo. Of all the therapy and such, he let go of 99% of his responsibilities and lives life with no expectations. I'm told he is doing great.

Anyways. In a world where were told that were suppose to fit with each other like puzzle pieces, It is no longer accepted to do what will make you happy, if your piece is supposedly "deformed". Take your perceptions and forget them.

"Most people are other people. Their thoughts are someone else's opinions, their lives a mimicry, their passions a quotation." Oscar Wilde

It depends upon the leading... Shakespeare said: If two people ride a horse some one has to sit in front...What does it matter if both are going in the same direction... Let me suggest, now that I have read your post, that you find a schizo girl...
Do you have any schiszophrenia in the family not counting you??? Were there any issues during the pregnancy with your mother??? Is she seriously stressed, or was she ill during the second trimester... Schizophrenia and homosexuality have some relationship to environmental factors during pregnancy, and since they are universal, there may be some genetic intelligence at work in those conditions... Think of it, If starvation or stress related to war, or famine tend to cause these problems which also have some association with intelligence, and creativity then those afflicted might help their societies to resolve their differences or problem... In any event, homosexuals, or schizos take all the energy of normals children to raise so they inhibit further breeding, and yet they do not breed themselves, normally... If I were thinking about doing so, I would hunt up some studies...It is not just having a girl, but the possibility of breeding, and then leaving children without support because your mind has left for the moon...

If you have any questions about schizophrenia there is a thread made on this forum in the self help section.

lol. Im sorry, for laughing, its just...... I know your thinking rationally.......... but..........lol.........why dont we just stick them all on a island.....lol.

You have every right to pursue a relationship with another. Your quality of life shouldn't be dampened simply because of others' *recommendations*. However, you should alarm whoever you're pursuing a relationship with of your circumstances. If they decide to continue, then I believe they should be understanding enough to not blame you for anything. Don't hide anything, be open, as that is the only way you're going to seek a meaningful relationship.

Be well,

Zeth

I'd join the others who echo'd the "it depends" aspect. For any condition where there could be some risk to ones' company, it seems to me the ethical thing would be to let them know of any risks.

Again, what risks there are (or could be) depends on the specifics of your condition.

It is quite possible that we all carry the tendency to become gay or schizo in our genes, that during pregnancy events can trigger this future behavior... So, I was asking for possible cause... During WWII women who suffered air raids in Germany during their second trimester gave birth to higher proportions of Gay boys... Women in Holland who were starved in their second trimesters by a food embargo put on the area by the Germans after the invasion of Normandy gave birth to a higher percentage of schizofrenics...

If you want to look at a natural society for an example, I would point out the American Indians, who suffered a lot of stress from starvation and warfare... They had their share of crazies and gays... Their attitude toward each was entirely humane... Since the object of society is to protect rights, they protected the rights of those who were, after all, some ones family...There may have been other reasons for their crazies... There may have been some chronic wasting from cannibalism, but descriptions sound more like hysteria in great quantity, and some schizofrenia... If Boy wanted to wear an apron and hang with the girls they let them...If girls wanted to play with bows, they let them... The only insult was to a man for taking up with a manwoman, because people presumed his laziness was such that he wanted his mate to both hunt and cook for him...
We have such a number of people that we think we can safely exclude... We do not know what intelligence, or insight we might be excluding at the same time, which, if it were there, might suggest an essential answer to the puzzle of life... It is no wonder that so many hate and fear society because to serve power and privilage, and in the effort to force unity, people are excluded for little of good reason; and so both society and individuals suffer needlessly... We all know that there are many schizos who never amount to much, and that there are many gays who are not in the least artistic or creative... Then, occasionally there are very great individuals, who clearly are geniuses... It is common knowledge, I would guess, that Einstein was brain damaged... A person's mind is the most remarkable and tragic organ, but if I might agree with Nietzsche, it is pity that is the disease... We should just accept, and if we do not like the disease, try to treat the conditions likely to bring it on...

It is hard to say what his particular condititon amounts to but if he thinks he hears voices now, if he has a wife and children he will hear them all the time... One reason I spend time on these forums is that I read a lot and am not to good at relating to real people because real people don't think much about philosophy, or history, or politics... But, there are times I would like to tell people to get out of my head, to just let me concentrate for a few minutes to wrap something and get on with life...I can't imagine how it would be not being able to shush the voices I hear, as rude as that is, since some of those voices I would have given my life to hear but once...

It seems that you still have a great amount of anxiety about your disorder. It seems to me that you would do fine in a relationship so long as you could overcome that anxiety.

I have a friend who has severe bi-polar disorder and he is doing fine in a relationship right now.

I see no reason why you should not be permitted to date just because you have a mental illness. Mental illness is something that in some form or another affects millions of people or more worldwide. Most of these lead normal lives, including having a romantic relationship with another.

I do agree that if you decided to pursue a longer-term relationship with a woman you would need to inform her of your condition, but under no circumstances should you inform anyone you are casually dating. This is counterproductive because unfortunately most women would probably not understand and go no further with you. Telling someone you have schizophrenia is definitely not something to do on a first date.

Schizophrenia is a widely misunderstood illness, perhaps the least understood of the mental illnesses by the general public. Many people do not realize that in today's society schizophrenia is easily treated, and that most people with the condition live fulfilling lives.

If you are not receiving treatment, that would be the first step before pursuing activities such as dating. But I suspect that you are since you know you have schizophrenia. Someone with schizophrenia who was untreated would be very unlikely to recognize his condition.

If you are on the right treatment you should not have to worry about having psychotic episodes. If you are still having psychotic episodes, you and your doctor need to consider a different treatment.

Ideally two people with schizophrenia would not become life partners, or at least not have children if they do, because they would almost guarantee the child would also develop schizophrenia. But if you have no ethical concerns over this possibility, then someone else with schizophrenia may be an option for you.

Do not limit yourself and what you can accomplish just because you happen to have a condition that is beyond your control. You are entitled to happiness and success just the same as any other person is.

There was a schizo a road over and a few miles away who must have got off his meds and he drove his family out of the house and holed up... The family called the police for help and they tried to get him out, but he started the house on fire, and when it became too hot, he was holding a knife, so the cops shot him... And the family was pissed... They said they guy was crazy; but he was still our father and husband... We call you for help, and instead of helping you let an essentially unarmed man burn down our house, and then you shot him... What the hell is wrong with you people??? He was insane, disturbed, distraught, delusional; but the whole bunch of you cops are stupid nuts...
The cops don't have much patience with crazies around here... If they cross a line they are like a moving target...All insanity should be official... They are the only ones with a chance to survive it...

My god shouldn't police be trained in other ways to handle someone with a knife and what ever happened to tazers. There a lot safer than guns.

Now, it was about ten years ago, and maybe they did not have them... but it was still over kill...It is just like wako, once the police have invested enough time and force they feel they need a wall mount or two...People need to look for excuses to not kill rather than excuses to kill..