Hello pessimist and welcome
I think an intentionally enforced moral obligation towards a specific 'act', concerning the welfare of others, shows enough good intention for me to think the individual selfless. But I notice a lot of people who intentionally enforce 'acts' such as those- like letting a fellow driver out at a junction, for some form of self gratification.
The same kind of sentiment I feel can be found in charity, especially among celebrities who will often slur charity into publicity. But even the common man might offer some pennies to charity to alleviate guilt or gratify ones self as good person, or perhaps toss some change at a homeless man to silence him or let off an impression to people in the vicinity .
In my opinion truly selfless acts exist but, they come with a defiant sense of duty which must- as a prerequisite , be embraced to qualify the actions. But I'm pretty idealistic.
Hello pessimist and welcome
I think an intentionally enforced moral obligation towards a specific 'act',
1. What is a moral obligation?
2. Specific acts of what exactly?
3. Enforced? How?
4. Why are people obliged?
shows enough good intention for me to think the individual selfless.
What are good intentions specifically?
"The road to hell is paved in good intentions."
But I notice a lot of people who intentionally enforce 'acts' such as those- like letting a fellow driver out at a junction, for some form of self gratification.
What else could it possibly be beyond self gratification?
The same kind of sentiment I feel can be found in charity, especially among celebrities who will often slur charity into publicity.
As a form of self idolatry, no?
But even the common man might offer some pennies to charity to alleviate guilt or gratify ones self as good person,
Under selfish motives and conditions of course.
or perhaps toss some change at a homeless man to silence him or let off an impression to people in the vicinity .
That would be my impression.
In my opinion truly selfless acts exist but,
Can you name some?
they come with a defiant sense of duty which must- as a prerequisite , be embraced to qualify the actions.
Duty of course is embraced for rewards later upon acting for it.
But I'm pretty idealistic.
I'm not on the otherhand.
Well said, de budding. I think, however, that our new (pessimistic
) friend needs some other information as well. I have learned this from Jean-Jacques Rousseau
. He explains that ego can only exist by comparisson. So ego can only spring into life when one interacts with another. An easy example is that someone will simply endure the pain of many wounds when alone on a plane crash-site, but will stumble and collapse when rescue is near.
Rousseau explains this by the following thought:
When someone lives in a group and that someone has more to eat for example (being a good hunter perhaps) than can be eaten by one person this person may give it to a hungry person. Offcourse this hungry person is gratefull; which our hunter is happy with. We see that the best hunter has most to give away and is therefore most appreciated by others. When one hunter compares his "amount" of appreciation to the appreciation another hunter "got" one may feel neglected or superior.At that moment the ego has kicked in. The desire to be appreciated (by a desirable female for instance) makes for the situation the people compare themselves with others and by that action one creates definitions (values) for oneself thereby creating ego; for what is ego if not the value people give themselves?
I hope this part is helpfull. It links in with what de budding has said. The "duty" de budding speaks of replaces the "goal" (in our example the appreciation). This has an enourmous effect on the actions taken because it no longer involves a striving towards a personal gain and therefore in no sense something which can disrupt balance.
Well, I hope this helps..
Philanthropy is done out of the desire for public status and recognition but if we look more deeply the motive hidden from display is the desire of power.
Anything else is the self indulgence of idealizing and romancing actions or situations to make them appear more real than real.
Often enough vanity helps carve the way where some sense of ambiguity is used to describe our deeds in order to impress others for some self gratifying goal.
What exactly is compassion to you and why do you look at it as being unselfish?
As I said before all actions are selfisly conditional as there exist no such thing as unconditional acts.
We condition acts for ourselves in our various forms of pleasure, convenience, and our own luxory.
I have many thoughts like these. I wonder how you see the "enslavement" by socienty though. Call it a second opinion. How do you see that happening?
We enslave people by judgement of worth, public evaluation and value.
We do it by monetary exchanges, collective standardizations or what we call the status quo.
We do it through the means of classism which people in power call necessity.
We do it through the means of the master slave relationship.
We do it through the perceived intellectualism of educational institutions in that if a person doesn't come to know A, +1, or E= Mc square we push them to the lowest of statuses in society where we naively expect them to be content with such arrangements through unrealistic obedience while we call them inferiors for their lack of knowing certain things.
We do it through this post-modern age where we reduce disenfranchised individuals to be mechanical objects or functions where they almost become robotical in this industrial age of ours.
We do it through alienation, isolation, social ridicule, mockery, defamation and through many other deceiving appearances.
We do it through dominance and submission which results from competition.
We marginalise other people who do not meet the ideal worth of what we call a productive citizenry or those who not own the ideal amount of money to live equally ideal socially constructed happy lives.
We do it by limiting other people's social mobility and interaction by materialistic or authoritive agencies.
(Take your pick.)