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Reply Sun 21 Mar, 2010 02:13 am
Do philosophers over-think?

Are we meant or built to?

Is this what makes more of a philosopher and less of a man?

Are somethings better off unasked?

Is there an answer to everything?

And if so does it still need asking?

Are not men already answered?
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 08:16 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;141813 wrote:
Do philosophers over-think?

I am not sure but would say they possibly ask questions that have no need of an answer, but if something has an answer then surly it also has a question worth asking, so what i think is that everything that has an answer has eared the right to be asked, but do philosophers ask questions that have not answer? And if something has no answer then what is the point in asking it?
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

Are we meant or built to?

Yes i think some people naturally ask where as others are happy enough to be answered.
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

Is this what makes more of a philosopher and less of a man?

I dont have an answer to this, am i closer to something because i naturally enquire or doe sthis set me apart? Just as those who are contented are either closer or further away from either true contentment (man-like)?
Whos asking the right questions all of the time?
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

Are somethings better off unasked?

I would think no but again i am not sure? But just because they are left unasked doe not mean they do not have an answer.
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

Is there an answer to everything?

Yes i think on many levels and i suppose no on just as many.
But will say as long as you do not find the need to ask means you already have an naswer which either means you will always be further away or closer to everything. Depends on your definition of everything and conclusion. Is their ever a correct or wrong conclusion as long a sone is answered?
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

And if so does it still need asking?

Depends if you are further away, if so 'it' needs asking but whether or not one is up to starting to question themselves again after finding resolution is another matter entirely.
Does it still need asking as long as the answer you have makes you safe or does not challenge you?
sometime sun;141813 wrote:

Are not men already answered?

Contenment, found or lost?
 
salima
 
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 08:22 am
@sometime sun,
hello sometime-
all's i know is, the people in my life that have been the most happy never really thought about anything but what they were doing at the time. sometimes they werent very good people, and sometimes bad but not too bad-in other words, especially mediocre in my own humble judgment or evaluation of them as human beings, which i know i have no right to do but how is it possible not to?

people who think and question usually end up doing some very wonderful and awesome things or some really horrible macabre things. or so it seems to me...

and people who never think or question dont seem to commit suicide...or murder. on the other hand, they do start forest fires...house fires and restaurant kitchen grease fires and so on...but the main difference is-they are the happy ones.
 
sometime sun
 
Reply Wed 24 Mar, 2010 09:15 am
@salima,
salima;143005 wrote:
hello sometime-
all's i know is, the people in my life that have been the most happy never really thought about anything but what they were doing at the time. sometimes they werent very good people, and sometimes bad but not too bad-in other words, especially mediocre in my own humble judgment or evaluation of them as human beings, which i know i have no right to do but how is it possible not to?

Do we know when we are bad philosphically or humainly?
I find humanisms mediocre, sex and drugs and rock and roll, to be a man or woman is medicore but as long as we can be happy in our distractions and mediocraty why not? Perhaps we were meant to be mediocre and happy?
Unfortuantely for me i am crap at mediocraty, i just hope i can be a half way decent philosopher, it seems at times all i got. But wait i am an artist as well so critcs be damned, unless all you do it for is to be loved?
Do philosophers really believe in love?
salima;143005 wrote:

people who think and question usually end up doing some very wonderful and awesome things or some really horrible macabre things. or so it seems to me...

All about the outcome i suppose, is it wonderful only by apreciation or is it only macabre by condemnation?
What of the intention? Human or hope? Demonic or divine?
I trusted my human hope and was mistaken to think it would become divine, so am i left distrusting everything but the demon?
No because i know what demons are and why they need be trusted only that they will bring destrction and ruin.
You can trust destruction but you are left doubting if hope is worth all the effort when divine seem so far out. At least thats how i feel today.
salima;143005 wrote:

and people who never think or question dont seem to commit suicide...or murder. on the other hand, they do start forest fires...house fires and restaurant kitchen grease fires and so on...but the main difference is-they are the happy ones.

Happy, divine or human?
Perhaps they dont commit suicide not because they dont ask questions but because they are asking the wrong ones?
I've nearly died and when i knew it was coming i was happy or at least contented, so even learned to be contented and or happy if i never see it coming, but i used to set fires as well and at these times i was most unhappy, never more happy though when i was putting them out, but unfortuantely even though you can breath fire means you can not put them all out and you get blamed when ever something catches.
The sad thing is I have to be more careful with my candles.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 12:00 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;141813 wrote:
Do philosophers over-think?

[CENTER]How can you over-think ? I see more a problem in the restictions they put on their thinking. Scientific phylosophy should be a sub-branche, far away from Free Thinking. How to think something new based on christian-capitalist basis ?
[/CENTER]

Is this what makes a philosopher more of a man and less of a woman?

[CENTER] Is there an answer to everything?
No, there will be all-ways more Questions.

[/CENTER]

Answered?


Free yourself from conditioning. Go to the hairdresser ! Enjoy your beauty; ignorance is not a garantee for happiness. You could as well drug yourself all day to avoid un-happiness. Like my doctor does to me.

[CENTER]PepI Magister V/D Tijdt
[/CENTER]
 
wayne
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 12:34 am
@sometime sun,
sometime sun;141813 wrote:
Do philosophers over-think?

Are we meant or built to?

Is this what makes more of a philosopher and less of a man?

Are somethings better off unasked?

Is there an answer to everything?

And if so does it still need asking?

Are not men already answered?


Yes it is over thought, answers are sought that cannot be ,so men argue and grow to love the arguement, takes their minds off the fear, of not knowing, of falling, of taking the leap, it is we who must answer, yes or no
 
salima
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:33 am
@wayne,
wayne;143424 wrote:
Yes it is over thought, answers are sought that cannot be ,so men argue and grow to love the arguement, takes their minds off the fear, of not knowing, of falling, of taking the leap, it is we who must answer, yes or no


very beautifully put
 
kennethamy
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:35 am
@salima,
salima;143519 wrote:
very beautifully put


Only, is it true?
 
salima
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:43 am
@kennethamy,
kennethamy;143522 wrote:
Only, is it true?


does it matter? Smile

actually i think it is for the most part-but i thought it was so beautifully put that it really never occurred to me to think about its right/wrong value. even if i were to disagree i would attest to its beauty of form.
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 08:58 am
@wayne,
wayne;143424 wrote:
Yes it is over thought, answers are sought that cannot be ,so men argue and grow to love the arguement, takes their minds off the fear, of not knowing, of falling, of taking the leap, it is we who must answer, yes or no


[CENTER]:detective:
As a long time gay man I think of myself first and fore-all as a male human being. I know my right, I know how to voice them but try to keep it civil. I do ask agents for their ID before I consider handing mine.

Sexual gender is one thing, characteristics like male or female should slowly disappear. I do think we should use our differences but not label it financially. I found nursing more difficult than accounting...

Pepijn Sweep'magister i.o.
[/CENTER]
 
wayne
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 09:43 am
@salima,
salima;143530 wrote:
does it matter? Smile

actually i think it is for the most part-but i thought it was so beautifully put that it really never occurred to me to think about its right/wrong value. even if i were to disagree i would attest to its beauty of form.


I don't mean to imply a right or wrong value here. That has no part of it for myself, simply yes or no. Neither choice is right or wrong, simply a choice of direction, we shall see for ourselves where the direction we choose takes us, I do not know. Religion has really screwed this up for people, I am so sorry about that.

This is the agnostic condition. I have only met 2 or 3 true athiests in my life and they are very different, they never ask you to prove god because they have made a choice end of story. Only the agnostic seeks proof and arguement , they are stuck, unable or unwilling to choose.
 
Twirlip
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 02:53 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;143416 wrote:
Free yourself from conditioning. Go to the hairdresser !

But my hairdresser does do conditioning - and not for free, either. Smile

On hairdressers, philosophy, and social conditioning, here is Mark Steel, from his 'lecture' on Aristotle:

Quote:
Now any account that just starts from the ideas, rather than the conditions in which those ideas were thought, must assume it's just coincidence that in Athens there seemed to be loads of clever blokes working out why we exist. Or it was one of those crazes that just come and go for no apparent reason. And for some reason, at some point between now and then, Greeks presumably just went off philosophy, and just took up being barbers instead. And I suppose somewhere around 800 A.D. there was a crossover point, where you'd be having your hair cut and the barber would say, "Is you on the day off today, sir? Then you lucky, for if you is a soul, you never have a day off, for is immortal, innit?"
 
Pepijn Sweep
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 03:04 pm
@Twirlip,
Twirlip;143719 wrote:
But my hairdresser does do conditioning - and not for free, either. Smile

On hairdressers, philosophy, and social conditioning, here is Mark Steel, from his 'lecture' on Aristotle:


If ... Well that's asking much. Second 1/2 April sometime sun and Pepijn Sweep will meet 4 Beers/Lagers. I do not drink normally. Hope my friend is used to the Ale. Would you care to join US ? That's on condition we All Agree.:drinking: Trafalgar Square somehow
 
Twirlip
 
Reply Thu 25 Mar, 2010 04:53 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Pepijn Sweep;143721 wrote:
If ... Well that's asking much. Second 1/2 April sometime sun and Pepijn Sweep will meet 4 Beers/Lagers. I do not drink normally. Hope my friend is used to the Ale. Would you care to join US ? That's on condition we All Agree.:drinking: Trafalgar Square somehow

It's a bit sudden, especially as I'm an almost total recluse, and haven't socialised with anyone outside my family for over a decade! What would Wittgenstein do? But I do sometimes take a bus down to Whitehall, to meet my daughter at the National Portrait Gallery, and have a chat and a coffee. (I don't drink alcohol very much.) I'll think about it. Best to discuss any further in private messages.
 
 

 
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