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@sometime sun,

Depends on the context and how you frame it I'd say. If I frame it like this: "Is trying and failing better than never trying at all?" In this framing I would say it might hold up because IMO it's better to try and fail than not try at all.

Of course this could be re-framed to say something else like, "if you knew beforehand you weren't going to win why would you try when not entering is a viable option?" To which I would say I wouldn't.

@Amperage,

Amperage;128240 wrote:

Depends on the context and how you frame it I'd say. If I frame it like this: "Is trying and failing better than never trying at all?" In this framing I would say it might hold up because IMO it's better to try and fail than not try at all.

Of course this could be re-framed to say something else like, "if you knew beforehand you weren't going to win why would you try when not entering is a viable option?" To which I would say I wouldn't.

sun already 'framed' it.

sometime sun;128239 wrote:

Tell me if this holds up;

Saying nothing is more foolish than saying something foolish.

I don't consider foolishness to be bad.

I think that saying nothing is something other than foolish, but it depends on the context. I recently watched a ted video, and at the end of the video the speaker said something like "stay hungry, stay foolish." Not speaking all the time doesn't seem like a foolish thing to do.

"Boring" might work better than foolish in the sentence.

@sometime sun,

I heard this somewhere, don't recall where from:

It is better to keep ones' mouth shut and be presumed a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

Not very nice, I know. But the OP reminded me

@mister kitten,

mister kitten;128585 wrote:

I don't consider foolishness to be bad.

"Boring" might work better than foolish in the sentence.

No i dont consider it bad either, it can lead to the bad but its intentions are rearely bad intentions.

Is it more boring to say nothing than to say something boring?

Good, i agree it is pleasing.

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Khethil;128640 wrote:

I heard this somewhere, don't recall where from:

It is better to keep ones' mouth shut and be presumed a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

Not very nice, I know. But the OP reminded me

Is it more foolish not to express than express foolishly?

@sometime sun,

As foolish as this question may seem to others, I do need clarification on "foolish". Who makes this judgment and what criteria do they use?

@melonkali,

melonkali;128717 wrote:

As foolish as this question may seem to others, I do need clarification on "foolish". Who makes this judgment and what criteria do they use?

What does foolish conjure for you?
I do not see it as a bad word or bad for being one.
I suppose those who do not answer are making more of a foolish judgment for fear of looking this way rather than a fool who answers but doe snot care that they are looking foolish.
A foolish judgement would be to not judge a fool?
a foolish judgement would be to judge a fool?
Is it more foolish to be known as a fool than to be known as nothing?
Would you rather be nothing than be a fool?

Does it matter what fool means in the face of self denial?
Are you not being a bigger fool by fighting it?

The dictionary says;
Fool; 1 aperson lacking common sense or intelligence
2 someone made to appear ridiculuos.
3 a person employe dby kings, nobles, etc to amuse them; a jester.

Foolish; unwise, senseless 2 ridiculuos.
We are all fools at some point, to some degree, it depends on if our intelligence and our view of our intelligence is based on how unfoolish we are not seen as rather than how intelligent we are seen as.
But because it is soemthing we all are at some point is it not easier and better to just agree we are all fools and stop hiding a part of us?

A fool may not be able to learn, but can still teach.

The question could easily be, are you more afraid of teaching the wrong thing than teaching nothing at all?

We see foolish as a flaw, and we would rather hide our flaws than expose our brilliances.

@sometime sun,

melonkali wrote:

As foolish as this question may seem to others, I do need clarification on "foolish". Who makes this judgment and what criteria do they use?

World's full of them, and they're often easy to spot. You probably see one at least once a day.

@Zetherin,

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-Mark Twain

For the Christians, there is a slightly different version in the Bible (Proverbs 17):

[INDENT]27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.

28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.[/INDENT]

I think the considered opinion of the ages is that it is better to keep quiet than to say something foolish. I agree with this. And I also think it is generally true that "He that hath knowledge spareth his words"; usually, the most long-winded people are fools.

@Pyrrho,

Pyrrho;129171 wrote:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."-Mark Twain

For the Christians, there is a slightly different version in the Bible (Proverbs 17):[INDENT]27 He that hath knowledge spareth his words: and a man of understanding is of an excellent spirit.

28 Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.[/INDENT]I think the considered opinion of the ages is that it is better to keep quiet than to say something foolish. I agree with this. And I also think it is generally true that "He that hath knowledge spareth his words"; usually, the most long-winded people are fools.

Saying nothing is more clever than saying something clever.

I suppose it is also to do with what people are listening for, are you listening for something foolish or clever and therefore shall never be disapointed?
Does this make you foolish if that is all you hear?
Does this make you clever if that is all you hear?
Are you foolish if all you do is learn?there is only room to be taught?
Are you clever if all you do is teach?there is no room?

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;128239 wrote:

Tell me if this holds up;

Saying nothing is more foolish than saying something foolish.

Say nothing! :a-thought:

@HexHammer,

HexHammer;140482 wrote:

Say nothing! :a-thought:

I dont know if asking this is clever or foolish, bu tthat is not the reason i ask this;
'Say nothing!' does this make you foolish or clever for saying nothing?

@sometime sun,

It is foolish ..if you think it's foolish ..if other people also think it's foolish.

Somthing is only as good as others judges it to be.

@sometime sun,

sometime sun wrote:

Saying nothing is more clever than saying something clever.

What was spoken about initially was that saying nothing is sometimes more clever than saying something stupid. Though, I can imagine a situation where saying nothing, instead of saying something clever, is more clever. So, you may be right on some occasions.

@Zetherin,

Zetherin;141012 wrote:

What was spoken about initially was that saying nothing is sometimes more clever than saying something stupid. Though, I can imagine a situation where saying nothing, instead of saying something clever, is more clever. So, you may be right on some occasions.

I dont want to be big headed but i am glad someone finally recognised what you just quoted as worth some thought,
and what do you mean 'some' occasions?
I'm sure you meant ot say 'most'. Smile

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