Doubt

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt necessary?

I would call doubt a first step but not the end and never should be an end. It is better to find answers, good answers than to linger in doubt.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

I dont know what for, which is why i am asking.

You probably have been told not to doubt, but perhaps this is a part of you starting to see that doubting isn't a bad thing.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

But we can go by the model that to be human is to doubt, even Jesus Christ had to doubt in order to be human.

Now that sentence makes me wanna bash my head into a rock repeatedly. Come on? Seriously? You can't pretend doubt. You can't make yourself doubt if you really don't doubt. You can't make yourself stupid if you know something. You can't ignore the truth if you know what is true. You can try to convince others you are clueless but you can't kid yourself. So really what your sentence says to me is that Jesus pretended, he lied to appear to have doubt. Of course you won't accept that so next I'll say, Jesus was just a normal man, who's life got flipped upside down because someone wanted to make him a god.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

To help;(me at least)
Is doubt fear?

Nope.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Are you taught something by your doubt if you dont fear it?

It is healthy to have doubts. It makes you honest towards truth. You should never just accept something without a basis. I have much more respect for someone who has doubt than a person who believes with absolutely nothing to stand on for belief.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Can fear teach?

Okay, now you are going too far into fear being doubt. Doubt shouldn't be lumped with fear as I explained. No one likes to be placed under fear even though it can be a motivator and help dictators maintain control. Can it teach, well yes and no but there are far better methods if this is your concern.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Can you teach doubt?

No. You can move someone to doubt, but it is not a knowledge. If someone mistakenly believes something and you shed some insight into their mistake then you might move them into doubt towards their old belief and perhaps a new belief or alternative belief. However; this does not mean that doubt was taught, instead doubt is a position.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt how we learn?

Nope. It is only a step. If you have no doubts, you won't be inclined to find any answers. If you are not looking for answers THEN you are not learning anything new. But if you know, there really is no need for doubt.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt sacrifice?

No. You never lose anything for doubting, unless you stay in the doubt and never do anything to relinquish it or find answers. You can only gain with doubt. If you have to lose a cherished belief because you doubt it then by all means you will gain if you can find answers.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Or can it lead to it?

Ultimately you decide if something is worthy of new research. Most people are lazy or they want something with the least amount of effort. They are happy with what ever someone is willing to hand them. I would say that is far worse than having doubt.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Do we need to sacrifice?

Well there is a cost involved with everything you do. If you are fine with simple answers that don't make much sense then you of course won't utilize doubt to find the truth. So in some ways you have to sacrifice wanting to believe something because it is easier than trying to discover the truth.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt necessary to do something else, something else then that is necessary?

Yes.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

If it is worthless why do we allow ourselves?

That is the thing, it is never worthless. Only those who are afraid of truth or to lazy to find truth call doubting worthless.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is it above self control?

Now I know for certain that you look at doubt in a negative way. I do not see doubt as a negative thing. It is a useful tool, a first step to finding truth. Don't be satisfied with doubt, use it to discover the truth. How can that be negative?

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Doubt, fear, sacrifice.
Learn, Teach. Control.

I don't like those as motivators.

Doubt, Search, Discover, Learn, Teach, Share. Is a far better motto.

@Krumple,

Doubt can always be expected by God or any man.
Just because you know something is coming doesn't mean you are ever prepared for it.
You think you will be prepared for your death?
You think you will ever be prepared for your love?
You can know its coming , you cant be ready for it.

Sacrifice is never easy. It should be, but it never can be.

I hate my doubt.
But i can not reside in hate.
So i solve as much of my doubt and hate as is possible.
There is my motivator, never to hate.

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

I hate my doubt.
But i can not reside in hate.
So i solve as much of my doubt and hate as is possible.
There is my motivator, never to hate.

Oh I see, well I have a different outlook on things I suppose. I don't see doubt as you have described it below as being this way;

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

Doubt can always be expected by God or any man.
Just because you know something is coming doesn't mean you are ever prepared for it.

To be honest, I try to fill my life with the most unexpected things that I can because I like not being prepared. I am not against anticipation or being intelligent towards the situation but to be honest with yourself you can do somethings to make the event less stressful.

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

You think you will be prepared for your death?

Yep, I'm ready and looking forward to it. I try to keep an open mind even though I believe death is the end of me, it might be the most wonderful experience ever. It might even be better than sexual climax. Maybe even something as my last dying thought is, "Wow, I would like to do this again..."

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

You think you will ever be prepared for your love?

Don't really care about love all that much. To me it is far too fickle. I just love the moment but I try not to expect anything out of any future moments. Nothing I do in my life ever points to having, doing, being or feeling the same way every day. So why would I expect an emotion to be ever lasting or always present? That is why I don't care about love. To me it sounds like looking at clouds and clinging to them wanting to keep them.

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

You can know its coming , you cant be ready for it.

Like I said, I actually enjoy not being prepared or being caught off guard. I have the most enjoyment in those situations, even if I am complaining at the time they are happening. Besides they make for better stories later, than, "Well my day started off perfect, everything went perfect, I totally anticipated everything, it all went smooth and nothing bad happened because I was ready for everything." Boring...

sometime sun;128115 wrote:

Sacrifice is never easy. It should be, but it never can be.

Everything is give and take. You have to lose to gain and when you gain sometimes you lose. Winning isn't always the best position. Being the leader can sometimes get you killed. If you know everything, you lose out in the fun of discovering. If you are an expert at the game you play and always win, where is the fun in the challenge? When you know what is going to happen in the movie, it's no longer entertaining.

@sometime sun,

My thought: those who do not live in doubt will never get out of it.

@The Jester phil,

The Jester;128189 wrote:

My thought: those who do not live in doubt will never get out of it.

Do you contribute to fortune cookies? That's a good one.

@The Jester phil,

The Jester;128189 wrote:

My thought: those who do not live in doubt will never get out of it.

Just as: those who do get out of doubt were never in it?

@Krumple,

Krumple;128096 wrote:

I would call doubt a first step but not the end and never should be an end. It is better to find answers, good answers than to linger in doubt.

What if the existence of the answer is disputable, hence the doubt? Does the question then become a statement, or a confused musing?

@sometime sun,

Is doubt necessary? NO

But we can go by the model that to be human is to doubt, even Jesus Christ had to doubt in order to be human.
Don't trust the bible to give you the truth. find it in yourself.

Is doubt fear?
Doubt can lead to fear if you do not find out why you are doubting.

Are you taught something by your doubt if you dont fear it?
Doubt is you higher mind wanting you to re-evaluate your next move/decision.

Can fear teach?
If you search for an understanding of your fear.

Can you teach doubt?
Only to those who are not confident in the truth they have be that it be accurate or not.

Is doubt how we learn?
If used for learning, but NO, not the proper way to learn.

Is doubt sacrifice? NO, sacrifice is thinking you are lacking and thus you must lessen your self for someone or something else. What you will come to find out is that you are lacking in nothing and have an abundance to give.

Or can it lead to it? NO
Do we need to sacrifice? See above answer

Is doubt necessary to do something else, something else then that is necessary?
Simply think of doubt as a pause to re-consider things and nothing more than that.

If it is worthless why do we allow ourselves?
The value of doubt is learning.

Is it above self control?
Use it as a tool for learning and don't try to control it. Doubt will subside over time as you learn from it.

@awareness,

I'm not sure that doubt is necessary but I'm fairly certain that it is inevitable

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt necessary?

I dont know what for, which is why i am asking.

It is necessary for learning. If you never doubted anything, you would never doubt whatever your first thought was about everything, so every error that you made would be kept for life. Doubt is a good thing, though like many good things, it may be possible to have too much of it.

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

But we can go by the model that to be human is to doubt, even Jesus Christ had to doubt in order to be human.

Evidently, you believe that Jesus was not omniscient:

Doubt | Define Doubt at Dictionary.com

@awareness,

awareness;137344 wrote:

Don't trust the bible to give you the truth. find it in yourself.

But what if i trust the bible to help me find and understand self? Even if this means learning how to recognise a lie when one comes along.

awareness;137344 wrote:

Doubt can lead to fear if you do not find out why you are doubting.

Fear can lead to doubt if you dont find out why you are fearing.

awareness;137344 wrote:

If used for learning, but NO, not the proper way to learn.

I would like very much if you could describe th eproper way to learn.

awareness;137344 wrote:

Simply think of doubt as a pause to re-consider things and nothing more than that.

So doubt is hesitation?
I dont think all doubt is hesitation, doubt often causes us to react impulsively.
But if it means you come to doubt the impulse then what?

awareness;137344 wrote:

Use it as a tool for learning and don't try to control it. Doubt will subside over time as you learn from it.

So it is a way to learn?

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GoshisDead;137362 wrote:

I'm not sure that doubt is necessary but I'm fairly certain that it is inevitable

Are things which are inevitable not necessary?
If something must be, how can it not be necessary?

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Pyrrho;137479 wrote:

Evidently, you believe that Jesus was not omniscient:

Jesus did not know he was omniscient even if he believed it, until he died he did not know, until he transformed into Christ.
Belief can be doubted. (Should be)
Knowing cannot be doubted. (Should not be)

@GoshisDead,

Sun:

A lot of things are not necessary to be human that humans inevitably or necessarily do.

I breathe it is necessary to be a living being but in the sense of what makes me human it doesn't really factor in too much.

I necessarily dream but so do rats and dogs. (or so sleep researchers think) But does dreaming make me human?

My humanity might be an aggregate of my behaviors doubt being one of them, but is it necessary to make me human just because I inevitably do it?

@GoshisDead,

GoshisDead;137362 wrote:

I'm not sure that doubt is necessary but I'm fairly certain that it is inevitable

Doubt about what?

@sometime sun,

sometime sun wrote:

Jesus did not know he was omniscient even if he believed it, until he died he did not know, until he transformed into Christ.

If he had a justified belief and it was true, he did know it.

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;128080 wrote:

Is doubt necessary?

I dont know what for, which is why i am asking.

But we can go by the model that to be human is to doubt, even Jesus Christ had to doubt in order to be human.

To help;(me at least)
Is doubt fear?
Are you taught something by your doubt if you dont fear it?
Can fear teach?
Can you teach doubt?
Is doubt how we learn?
Is doubt sacrifice?
Or can it lead to it?
Do we need to sacrifice?

Is doubt necessary to do something else, something else then that is necessary?

If it is worthless why do we allow ourselves?
Is it above self control?

Doubt, fear, sacrifice.
Learn, Teach. Control.

He of all certainty ..will most likely fail, a wall of illusion ..will blot the scale.
But also with doubt ..too much ..is too little ..your oppinion are smitten too frail ..to brittle.

Be as it may ..certainty rule ..a leap of faith ..promisland choose!
Certainty rise ..above all the voices ..of nay sayer's vote ..quelches the negative choises.

@HexHammer,

HexHammer;140849 wrote:

He of all certainty ..will most likely fail, a wall of illusion ..will blot the scale.
But also with doubt ..too much ..is too little ..your oppinion are smitten too frail ..to brittle.

Be as it may ..certainty rule ..a leap of faith ..promisland choose!
Certainty rise ..above all the voices ..of nay sayer's vote ..quelches the negative choises.

He who has chosen .. to push but not leap, always empty handed .. no scraps for the weak.

(You really are a pleasure when you not just pleasing yourself)

@sometime sun,

sometime sun;141019 wrote:

He who has chosen .. to push but not leap, always empty handed .. no scraps for the weak.

(You really are a pleasure when you not just pleasing yourself)

You should ask youself if what you see as bad, serves a higher purpose.

@HexHammer,

HexHammer;141027 wrote:

You should ask youself if what you see as bad, serves a higher purpose.

Now that i like alot, read my private message, sometimes a enemy can be a good thing? you dont just second guess the enemy you second guess your self, which means you come to a better resolution becaus eyou have asked mor ethan what a simple answer requires.

@sometime sun,

In any case, I would say it should be welcomed. Without doubt, there's no wonder; and who wants to live without that?

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