What makes you certain that immortality exists to begin with?

-ITL-

Because i both cried and tried to laugh tonight.

I may or not get back more to you on this later depending what immoratality means to you, and whether i find i need to prove mine and yours to you or to me.

---------- Post added 11-29-2009 at 02:44 AM ----------

TRY to prove................

I'll be honest...I'm not entirely sure what most of your questions are asking because I do not understand which perspective you are writing them from. That is...the words all make sense, but not in the ways they are presented and because I know nothing about your own belief structure, I cannot even begin to try to discern what you're trying to ask and as such can't really respond to any of them.

Please please don't take that the wrong way - with so very many viewpoints from which we are all coming at topics of interest, it is crucial, I think, to be very clear in asking questions...Maybe clarify a bit, please?

The only thing I really can discern is that you seem to be running off the assumption that immortality exists at all, as has been alluded to.

I don't understand your reasoning in response to ITL...elaborate, please?

For now, all I can really offer is that I think that immortality is possible...I just do not think it is possible in most of the ways commonly believed. That is...I do not believe there is a Heaven or a Hell or a purgatory or a anything like that. I also believe that it is possible that we -could- be immortal, but not that we inherently are; I believe our potential for immortality lies in harnessing consciousness and understanding the qualia.

Why do you need to know what they mean to me? what do they mean to you is what i am asking, (I already know what they mean to me:D)

I worry about contaminating open inspection.

First impressions are reliable,
But i want your interpretations/impressions first, not my own.
I hope this is acceptable/according.:whistling:

That being said you are totaly correct i do slightly cop out of my questions/threads, but to ask is not always to know, to many people ask questions they already know the answer to, aren't you tired of hearing yourself saying the same thing over and over, worse hearing others repetition?.
That being said; I am widely/broadly asking, (It all does not, nothing matters if there is not eternity, in so far as nothing has consequence/matter without it) so i presume/deduce things do have consequence and somethings matter, mean something (esspecially if i am God), deduction that there is eternity.
Not being totally sure if we are not, even in perishable vessels/vassals eternal. Debunking somewhat humanity as a structure(humanity is built upon death) and what it is to be human, born, live, die (sacrifice, rely).
So i accept eternity, yes that it is there yes.
But does this then stand that i should accept/believe in life? just because of eternity?
So i also distinguish between living till we die and living till we ever.
The question is, can one being be able to give up life also give up their eternity?
eternity is that which has no choice?
And if we cannot choose that we are eternal, why is it so different from choosing not to live?
Why are we not allowed to not be eternal?
Lends to the fact when we die we no longer remain human therefore naturally in this new state/station/statement need to live for ever.

I hope this makes clearer.

My reasoning in responce to ITL ;('but no time to know him')
It means my experience transisted/transcended function.
So proves the resurrection among other things.

It meant further that, by the intention inate to try and cheer bring joy to the self proves a whole slew of other things that prove ther soul.

So immortal is a big 'COULD BE' with you,
i feel when hearing this congratulation should be in order.

I hear you saying 'Could be we have to earn our soul, earn our eternity.'
I like/agree this enough to possibly believe it is truth.

But what i was asking;
eternity if inate or earnestly achievable surely some may choose to either get off the wheel or not participate at all.
Can we choose to give it up if we have it, or simply not bother aplying for it?

Can we allow ourselves no hope in hell?
(meaning the choice could very well do away with hell entirely)

Thanks for your reply.

Can we die and know there is no more?