How does one begin a disinterested intellectual life?

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Reply Sat 9 May, 2009 11:26 am
How does one begin a disinterested intellectual life?

While reading a book about the civil war between North and South Vietnam and the American involvement in that war on my back porch in Dallas in 1981, I was struck by the horrors committed by family members to one another. I could not understand how politics could cause this cruel fragmentation of families and communities.

I decided that if I were to better comprehended America's Civil War I might better understand what the Vietnamese had done to one another. Thus, unrecognized at the time, I began my intellectual journey of self-actualization.

My initial question to myself was "how can politics overcome our natural instinct and our life long propensity to support our kin?"[/b]

I started my journey of discovery in 1981 by seeking an answer to a vital question that aroused my curiosity and caring interest. I think that this is perhaps a basic maneuver that one can make to initiate an effort to develop the hobby of self-actualization through self-learning.

If we can find an event in history or perhaps an individual in history that arouses our curiosity and caring interest we can construct a string of vital questions that will guide our journey that will fill our quest for understanding; this adventure might provide a life time of intrigue, self-satisfaction, and self-esteem; it also might prove to be useful in developing the degree of intellectual sophistication demanded of all citizens for the betterment of their community.

My experience leads me to conclude that there is a world of difference in picking up a fragment of knowledge here and there versus seeking knowledge for an answer to a question of significance. There is a world of difference between taking a stroll in the woods on occasion versus climbing a mountain because you wish to understand what climbing a mountain is about or perhaps you want to understand what it means to accomplish a feat of significance only because you want it and not because there is 'money in it'.

I think that every adult needs to experience the act of intellectual understanding; an act that Carl Sagan describes as "Understanding is a kind of ecstasy."

This quotation of Carl Rogers might illuminate my meaning:

I want to talk about learning. But not the lifeless, sterile, futile, quickly forgotten stuff that is crammed in to the mind of the poor helpless individual tied into his seat by ironclad bonds of conformity! I am talking about LEARNING - the insatiable curiosity that drives the adolescent boy to absorb everything he can see or hear or read about gasoline engines in order to improve the efficiency and speed of his 'cruiser'. I am talking about the student who says, "I am discovering, drawing in from the outside, and making that which is drawn in a real part of me." I am talking about any learning in which the experience of the learner progresses along this line: "No, no, that's not what I want"; "Wait! This is closer to what I am interested in, what I need"; "Ah, here it is! Now I'm grasping and comprehending what I need and what I want to know!"

When we undertake such a journey of discovery we need reliable sources of information. We need information that we can build a strong foundation for understanding. Where do we find such reliable information? We find it in the library or through Google on the Internet or combinations thereof.

I have a 'Friends of the Library' card from a college near me. This card allows me, for a yearly fee of $25, to borrow any book in that gigantic library. Experts in every domain of knowledge have written books just especially for laypersons like you and I.

Lincoln was an autodidact. Perhaps self-actualizing self-learning is for you. When your school daze is complete it is a good time to begin the learning process.

coberstakaDutchuncle
 
Krumple
 
Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 09:05 am
@coberst phil,
I never really thought of it in this way before. I have on many occasions had sparks of deep interest in various topics and never seemed to be able to absorb as much of the info on the subject I could before something new would capture my attention. Then the old subject matter would sorta dissipate or fade slowly from my interest while the new one was picking up steam.

Then there were the occasions when I would get such contrasts or conflicting views on the subject or topic that I couldn't figure out how to make heads or tails to what I was investigating. On some days one side would have a great argument then perhaps a few days later the contrast would have even a better argument and I would ultimately need to abandon it to keep my sanity.

When it really comes down to it all it just seems like there is no consensus on anything and no one really seems to know what is important to know or not know. It is an irony of knowledge and investigation.

The one thing I do know is that everyone wants to be either content or happy but we all have different methods of obtaining it. We just like to argue that our method was better than yours.
 
nameless
 
Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 01:23 pm
@Krumple,
We do not persue that in which we are not 'interested'.
It seems that the notion reflects the obsolete theory of an 'objective observer' (from an obsolete science).
Agreed, though, that 'critical thought' would be well suited to be taught in grade school on. Teachers would have to learn it though...
 
manored
 
Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 04:23 pm
@coberst phil,
I think that a knowledge seeking drive is something personal, like, either you have that personality wich will lead you to eventually start researching life, or you dont. The spark that starts the whole thing ends up being inevitable Smile
 
coberst phil
 
Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 01:05 am
@coberst phil,

I have for some time been interested in trying to understand what 'understand' means. I have reached the conclusion that 'curiosity then caring' is the first steps toward understanding. Without curiosity we care for nothing. Once curiosity is in place then caring becomes necessary for understanding.

Often I discover that the person involved in organizing some action is a person who has had a personal experience leading her to this action. Some person who has a family member afflicted by a disease becomes very active in helping support research in that disease, for example.

I suspect our first experience with 'understanding' may be our first friendship. I think that this first friendship may be an example of what Carl Sagan meant by "Understanding is a kind of ecstasy".

I also suspect that the boy who falls in love with automobiles and learns everything he can about repairing the junk car he bought has discovered 'understanding'.

I suspect many people go their complete life and never have an intellectual experience that culminates in the "ecstasy of understanding". How can this be true? I think that our educational system is designed primarily for filling heads with knowledge and hasn't time to waste on 'understanding'.

Understanding an intellectual matter must come in the adult years if it is to ever come to many of us. I think that it is very important for an adult to find something intellectual that will excite his or her curiosity and concern sufficiently so as to motivate the effort necessary to understand.

Understanding does not come easily but it can be "a kind of ecstasy".



Understanding is a tipping point, when water becomes ice, it is like a gestalt perception it may never happen no matter how hard we try. The unconscious is a major worker for understanding. Understanding is that rare occasion when there develops a conflation of emotion and intellection.


I have concocted a metaphor set that might relay my comprehension of the difference between knowing and understanding.

Awareness--faces in a crowd.

Consciousness-smile, a handshake, and curiosity.

Knowledge-long talks sharing desires and ambitions.

Understanding-a best friend bringing constant April.


I am a retired engineer and my experience in the natural sciences leads me to conclude that these natural sciences are far more concerned with knowing than with understanding.

Understanding is a long step beyond knowing and most often knowing provides the results that technology demands. Technology, I think, does not want understanding because understanding is inefficient and generally not required. The natural scientists, with their paradigms, are puzzle solvers. Puzzles require ingenuity but seldom understanding.
 
nameless
 
Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 01:38 am
@coberst phil,
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manored
 
Reply Tue 12 May, 2009 01:32 pm
@coberst phil,
I think you understand the word "understand" in a way different than I do Smile
 
 

 
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