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No0ne
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 02:50 pm
It seems more and more people within the forum are replacing there own philosophy/words that denotes the truth in there statements with links to pages at wikipida that denotes such truths for them.

Dose anyone els find this an alarming trend?
 
Holiday20310401
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:04 pm
@No0ne,
I think the wiki links encourage newcomers to learn the topic. It's not often that we see any originality here anyways, right? Little creative or absurd views, right? Wikipedia acts as an objective rhetoric to resort to for clarification.
 
No0ne
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:13 pm
@No0ne,
:rolleyes:Yea...

But it would be nice of them to atleast copy and paste the sections that denote there statements and personalize it Smile
 
Theaetetus
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:17 pm
@No0ne,
Honestly, I think that a different phenomenon is happening within the forum. Too many people are mistaking their absurd views as philosophy. And then when others object, they throw up their defenses and start spouting off about extreme relativism and pure subjective truth. Modern philosophy is about arguments and counter arguments. If people cannot take having others wholly disagreeing or down right dismissing their ideas, then they are probably in the wrong place. I am all for original thought within philosophy, but it should be grounded in reality.

Personally, I have rarely seen Wikepedia stuff on the forum. Although in some people's cases, if they are deriving their content from Wikipedia, it would be nice to know because some stuff seems beyond absurd and ridiculous.
 
No0ne
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:21 pm
@No0ne,
Yea...

Yet it sounds like you could give a few links as examples of this phenomenon Smile
 
Theaetetus
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:35 pm
@No0ne,
http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/branches-philosophy/uncategorized/3375-aims-aliens-only-believers.html

http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/branches-philosophy/uncategorized/3663-lucid-dream-time-shift-former-time-south-africa.html

http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum/philosophy-forums/branches-philosophy/epistemology/3166-i-wrote-essay-if-i-were-god.html

Anyway, those are just a couple that I have notice, with the aliens thread filled with hundreds of posts describing what I am talking about. Most of the posts are buried in other threads and I do not feel like digging them out, because it is not worth the time.

Honestly, I think any topic about aliens, lucid dreaming (making more out of dreams than should be done), and much of what is written about truth and God fall under what I was talking about. They may have their value, but to a philosophy forum, they seem to be counter productive.

One conversation I had the other day with one forum poster describes the biggest issue I had, which I am kind of getting at, and that has to do with defining commonly used philosophical words and concepts however one chooses. Words exist to make communication possible, and definitions of the words exist to allow for common understanding. Subjectively defining concepts and words however one chooses without allowing others to disagree is detrimental to philosophical discussion.
 
No0ne
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 03:50 pm
@No0ne,
Yea it seems most to all of those lack logical information that denotes there statements, while leaving peoples perception and opinions to fill in the gaps of why or why not its true or false.
 
Fido
 
Reply Fri 27 Feb, 2009 09:29 pm
@Theaetetus,
Theaetetus wrote:
Honestly, I think that a different phenomenon is happening within the forum. Too many people are mistaking their absurd views as philosophy. And then when others object, they throw up their defenses and start spouting off about extreme relativism and pure subjective truth. Modern philosophy is about arguments and counter arguments. If people cannot take having others wholly disagreeing or down right dismissing their ideas, then they are probably in the wrong place. I am all for original thought within philosophy, but it should be grounded in reality.

Personally, I have rarely seen Wikepedia stuff on the forum. Although in some people's cases, if they are deriving their content from Wikipedia, it would be nice to know because some stuff seems beyond absurd and ridiculous.

I would like to suggest that what we think of as philosophy is not philosophy as traditionally conceived, but is really moral philosophy, that has really only subjective truths, which may be as close as we get to moral truth... Other than that, I don't see a trend...Perhaps because I am a trend...
 
manored
 
Reply Sat 28 Feb, 2009 10:37 am
@No0ne,
No0ne wrote:
It seems more and more people within the forum are replacing there own philosophy/words that denotes the truth in there statements with links to pages at wikipida that denotes such truths for them.

Dose anyone els find this an alarming trend?
I dont see many wiki links myself, nor many people delegating explanations only to then. Im kinda a distracted person I might have have run over some though Smile

Theaetetus wrote:
Honestly, I think that a different phenomenon is happening within the forum. Too many people are mistaking their absurd views as philosophy. And then when others object, they throw up their defenses and start spouting off about extreme relativism and pure subjective truth. Modern philosophy is about arguments and counter arguments. If people cannot take having others wholly disagreeing or down right dismissing their ideas, then they are probably in the wrong place. I am all for original thought within philosophy, but it should be grounded in reality.

Personally, I have rarely seen Wikepedia stuff on the forum. Although in some people's cases, if they are deriving their content from Wikipedia, it would be nice to know because some stuff seems beyond absurd and ridiculous.
The relativism of reality makes it impossible to prove anything as wrong, so there isnt really much to do once you detect extreme relativism keeping up a view other than giving up the discussion or continuing hammering the nail that never goes down.
 
savagemonk
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 11:02 am
@manored,
It seems that most philosophy is based on ones opinion of the subject regardless of its facts and truths. Somewhere in the evolution of philosophy it became trendy to discuss ludicrous ideology. Rather than contemplate and figure out the true natures of the subjects.
 
Mr Fight the Power
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 11:22 am
@manored,
manored wrote:
The relativism of reality makes it impossible to prove anything as wrong, so there isnt really much to do once you detect extreme relativism keeping up a view other than giving up the discussion or continuing hammering the nail that never goes down.


Generally extremists are not universal extremists and at some point incontinuity or outright contradiction can be shown. While man may be the measure of all things, the manners in which man measures are fairly universal.

Relativism and subjectivism is not, therefore, an excuse for holding whatever opinion you wish. There is at least human truth.
 
manored
 
Reply Thu 5 Mar, 2009 12:02 pm
@savagemonk,
savagemonk wrote:
It seems that most philosophy is based on ones opinion of the subject regardless of its facts and truths. Somewhere in the evolution of philosophy it became trendy to discuss ludicrous ideology. Rather than contemplate and figure out the true natures of the subjects.

Indeed, I think (lol) its because deducing how things are or should be winhout knowing then often ends up actually working, but often fails as well Smile
 
 

 
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