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MITech
 
Reply Mon 6 Oct, 2008 08:56 pm
Difference between humans and robots.

We are both able to make decisions but humans are able to understand why they made that decision. Robots are not able to. Question is can robot in the future be able to understand the decisions that they make and learn to act differently?

Humans and robots both have the ability to make decision. The difference between a human and a robot is that humans can understand why they make a decision and robots can't. What if we all started to ignore why we make a decision. Would that make us insane or would that not change us at all?
 
No0ne
 
Reply Tue 7 Oct, 2008 02:59 pm
@MITech,
MITech wrote:
Difference between humans and robots.

We are both able to make decisions but humans are able to understand why they made that decision. Robots are not able to. Question is can robot in the future be able to understand the decisions that they make and learn to act differently?


Would still be false randomality...

Created from a finite set of variable's, far less than the one's humans are bound by.

Yet this is a strange place to find a question like this, could this be movedto a better location?

And the answer is no, since things are only made in the present not the future.

SO:rolleyes: the question "Can robot in a future present be able to understand the decisions that they make and learn to act differently? Is Yes

(:detective:It would come to a point where it would no longer be a robot, but becomes human, without a human body, if a person perfectly emulates the every function of a human in every way, shape, and form.
 
Holiday20310401
 
Reply Wed 8 Oct, 2008 09:33 pm
@MITech,
Awareness is not inherently insane, unless you consider the mind to be the absolute factor of awareness which has the potential to be flawed.
 
jgweed
 
Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 05:39 am
@Holiday20310401,
Humans have the ability to NOT make decisions; robots do not.

Aside: the question whether robots and humans actually make "decisions" in the same way and use the same processes seems to be legitimate, especially since we know so little about how the part of the brain that is involved actually functions. Moreover, it seems robots can only make certain predefined kinds of decisions (the goals of which are determined in advance, as in chess); human decision making can apply to completely novel situations.

Aside: I am not sure whether we can ignore why we make decisions (outside of HABIT, perhaps) unless it is after the fact. Isn't the "why" an important part of the actual making a decision?
 
VideCorSpoon
 
Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 07:31 am
@jgweed,
A robot can understand why it makes a decision just as much as a human can.

Strip away the fact that one is made from flesh and the other metal and you are left with a substrate that is programmed in some way or another. Humans induce or deduce, namely, they can utilize logic. Likewise, robots can use fuzzy logic to induce or deduce. If you approach the issue from an empirical perspective, both humans and robots use knowledge a-posteriori (after the senses). Look at the common Roomba or that chess playing supercomputer. You could say the same thing from a rationalist perspective, etc.

So if humans and robots are abstractly the same thing, a substrate with cognate abilities, why can a robot not have the ability to understand why
 
Mr Fight the Power
 
Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 08:16 am
@VideCorSpoon,
The difference is not in knowing why a decision was made, but likely in knowing what it feels like to make a decision.
 
Mr Fight the Power
 
Reply Thu 9 Oct, 2008 08:25 am
@jgweed,
jgweed wrote:
Humans have the ability to NOT make decisions; robots do not.


How does a person not make a decision without deciding to not make a decision?

Quote:
Aside: the question whether robots and humans actually make "decisions" in the same way and use the same processes seems to be legitimate, especially since we know so little about how the part of the brain that is involved actually functions. Moreover, it seems robots can only make certain predefined kinds of decisions (the goals of which are determined in advance, as in chess); human decision making can apply to completely novel situations.


First off, I don't think that humans can make decisions in completely novel situations. There must be some pre-existing ability to predict results and an understanding of what goals are to be achieved, otherwise it is random, and even if you consider a random choice a decision, it is possible for machines to make decisions within any realm of possibility. The same can be said of machines and the ability to adapt decision making to more and more abstract realms is a matter of programming limitations and not some intrinsic human quality.
 
Ennui phil
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 08:01 am
@MITech,
Comprehending decisions is inextricably linked to the power of mind.Human indeed have minds which can philosophize,nevertheless,robots are programmed and is unfeasible to perceive and comprehend.
 
MITech
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 11:56 am
@Ennui phil,
If robots can indeed understand why they make a desicion then we are all robots.
 
Mr Fight the Power
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 12:24 pm
@MITech,
MITech wrote:
If robots can indeed understand why they make a desicion then we are all robots.


If we are not robots, what is there that separates us from robots?

Anyone who has used a computer should know that they are far more accurate in backtracking and explaining their actions than people.
 
MITech
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 12:40 pm
@Mr Fight the Power,
Mr. Fight the Power wrote:
If we are not robots, what is there that separates us from robots?

Anyone who has used a computer should know that they are far more accurate in backtracking and explaining their actions than people.


The fact that we can understand why we make desicions. Our feelings help us make desicions. Without the ability to have feelings we would not be able to understand why we make a desicion. Robots can't feel anything. Thats the difference between humans and robots.
 
VideCorSpoon
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 02:09 pm
@MITech,
Ennui,MITech,
 
Mr Fight the Power
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 02:48 pm
@VideCorSpoon,
VideCorSpoon wrote:
MITech,


To extend your line of thinking, "feelings" are irrational, and despite a psychiatrists best attempts are extremely hard to explain. These "feelings" feed logic, as logic alone cannot tell us what is best to do.

This presents a deeper similarity. Just like a machine cannot explain exactly why it chooses the goals it does, sticking to explanations of how it came to its goal. No person can tell you exactly why it chooses its own values and goals, rather sticking to rational explanations of how it pursued the goal.
 
VideCorSpoon
 
Reply Fri 10 Oct, 2008 03:19 pm
@Mr Fight the Power,
Mr. Fight the Power,
 
 

 
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