No one reads books... If you want to communicate, this is the place...
Yes this place is really cool that is why I joined. And yes I do want to contribute to the conversations here as well.
No one reads books? Not sure I can agree with that. Although I do agree there is a lot of anti-intellectualism. I'm not trying to promote intellectualism but philosophy which is the seeking of wisdom.
The world is flooded with books after all, good books, good ideas, classy stories, good scholarship...
I'm not sure I agree that most books are good ideas or good scholarship either. Most popular nonfiction books esp ones that break down how society works or can be improved are based on accepted ideologies.
What do you have that is worth keeping a couple of book ends from true love??? I can write here, and turn back a few pages and say: Wow, did I really write that??? And I can turn back a few pages and see my growth and the maturation of my thoughts on certain subjects... When one produces an artifact out of art, there must be some commanding reason for it... Is that book essential to your survival, or to the survival or your nation or species???
I certainly do not want to cling to hubris that my book is going to go down as noble peace prize winning gift to mankind. On the other hand it is my intention that my writing is a significant contribution to mankind.
I am only human the best I can do is use my passion and intellect to create something that inspires people to at least attempt to create a better society. If I fail then I fail.You can not succeed if you are afraid of failing.
Because if you can survive without it, survive without writing another book no one has time to read, or a place to put, then you are only adding to the general clutter.
Yes I agree. Which is why I am doing my best to make a contribution not just to achieve something for me.
Nothing is preferable to the immediacy of conversation in this great Salon of ideas...I have lots of books, and I love them all like my children, but this is better yet... I guess it was Husserel who said: People should think... He published quite little, and revised often...
I feel the same way you do. I have joined group after group sharing my ideas. I have not published anything yet. This would be my first book presuming I get published
Never lock yourself out of growth without a key... Here is a dynamic relationship at work... Keep your head down, your gloves up, stay light on your feet, and bob and weave... Don't forget to jab... Get your distance and if some one gets inside, then own them...As Anni Defranco said: we barely have time to react in this life, let alone rehears... React first, master that, and then act only when you are certain of the consequences..
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I don't think I can wait to act until I am certain of the consequences.
Seriously??? You are going to write a book about what philosophers contribute to society... Like the man said about his son: He is studying to become an astronaut; He is taking up space... There is your contribution... People only do philosophy until the philosophers shows up...
No I'm not really going to write a book on what philosophers contribute. I am sure that has been done.
I'm not sure what the rest of your point is here.
Do you really think NASA is a waste of time?
Or are you trying to compare astronauts to rock stars? Where people who dream about becoming one are wasting their time because most people fail it and those who actually achieve their dream contribute nothing to our society?
I do not think I could agree to any of those points as being true.
The last quote implies everyone is a philosopher and therefor philosophy isn't a discipline. And anyone claiming to be a philosopher is full of hot air. If that is true why are you on this board? If you do not respect philosophy why quote Husserel? Or are you trying to imply that all the great philosophers have already spoken?
None so far have been any good at it and some of the best have been complete failures at life and relationships, which is the very evidence the world needs that their philosophy was worth spit...
Not sure I can agree with that either. Van Gogh cut off his ear. Nietzsche went insane. And Sartre was a womanizer and worse. He had no concept of a healthy relationship. I still think Van Gogh contributed to art and society as a whole. Half of the best artist have shown signs of insanity.
Philosophy is no better. This is because how our society treats our artist musicians and philosophers. As a society we have less respect for our creative people then we do for our intellectuals. This is the problem.
We define success as achieving what the majority people value. Sanity is defined as functioning in a sick society. We define thinking as choosing which ideology to defend. So far none of this works. The true definition of insanity is to keep trying the same thing and expecting different results. And that is how our society is built.
Everywhere you look those with any power seem to follow only one rule. If it makes sense don't do it. And everyone else simply complies with what they are told are the rules built around this... afraid of the alternative. If you don't think then someone has to do this for you. The alternative is that we all become philosophers.
Obviously as a whole our society rejects this alternative. I am writing a book to show the consequences this has already had and the consequences this will lead to for the future of man kind. You can lead a man to enlightenment but you can't make him think.
So like philosophers before me I can not assume what ever contribution I make will affect society in a positive move forward in my lifetime.
Maybe my thoughts will only make a contribution a 100 years later. I really do not think that I am that ahead of my time. But I do think that it is crucial that I say what I have to say.
And if I am wrong then let mankind learn from my mistakes. If I have nothing to contribute then so be it. It is not for me to decide.
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A great philosopher once wrote that philosophy always disturbs the peace. But I am not sure how determining what philosophy IS or should be is not, meta-philosophically speaking, nevertheless a position.
At any rate, I look forward to discussing this and other topics in the forums themselves.
Welcome to Philforum!
It is nice to meet you. Just to clarify I am not using my book to justify my idea of what philosophy IS or should be. I guess if I were this would technically be a position on philosophy itself. It is and interesting question though. I think when I stated that it is not the goal of philosophy to take a position I meant only what is meant when taking a stand in a debate.
I guess you can use philosophy to shore up ideologies.
Right now this is about all philosophy is used for in our society aside from just entertainment to those who enjoy it.
I further claim that our society tends to make major decisions on how society should work based on ideologies. To me issues are irrelevant without values. But values of ideologies are worthless because most values in ideologies fail to work outside those ideologies. The values that do work independent of any ideology that thought them up actually will work better when not constrained by ideology or public opinion.
I am arguing the best way to get good values to base a society on is philosophy. So philosophy in our society should be more valued than it is. Just as Science should be more valued than it is compared to religion in answering questions.
Religion brings up far more questions than it can answer and the main point of religion is not to answer questions but to stop people from asking questions.
The main point in ideologies is to do the same thing.
According to Religion and Ideology we do not need more questioning or seeking we need more obedience. Now even science has fallen in line with behaviorism as the main tenet of human nature. Which serves the purpose to help social engineers keep people in line when religion fails to.
What we need is more philosophers to eat more fruit from the tree of knowledge and share this fruit with many people as possible. We need philosophers and scientist to work together to rebuild the tower of Babel and this time to work on communication so the project can continue until we reach the heavens.