Yep, but unfortunately the spectrum is still ridiculously vast!
Well, I understand the whole "god is personal to me" thing, but what is God if she isn't infinite? What is God if she isn't the underlying cause for everything? Where is the line? I mean, I could claim that God is a rock.
"Purpose" is not the right word. People who adhere to pantheism are primarily not looking for purpose, but to merely interpret surrounding. It's a huge misconception that "God" is a concept utilised to create a meaningful perception, rather, it is simply another way of looking at things.
That is true, I shouldn't have neglected to acknowledge this position.
IT IS specific to each person. I have never heard of objective perception!
Well, I mean in terms of religion. I know people deviate, but holy books are supposed to be the underlying foundation for most people's beliefs. (I know there is room for interpretation)
Not neccessarily. If you view God as a wilfull creator, you can perceive logic as His defined laws. We cannot apply our logic to Him, but this doesn't mean that our logic is not relevent to Him.
But, what do you mean by "this doesn't mean that our logic is not relevant to Him"
If we can perceive our logic as his defined laws, I don't understand why he'd make his own laws contradict his infiniteness in our realm. :/ But then again, maybe I am not supposed to understand. .._........._
Relevant how? I understand that he can use our logic in our realm (he would've had to, to initiate the universe), but our logic can't apply in his realm. If it did, (time, ect) his realm, by our logic couldn't exist.
Be careful here. "Useless" and "obsolete" are very powerful words. Our feelings and descriptions might be regarded by this deity. Naturally, we cannot know, and can therefore only produce concepts with tools at hand - hence Philosophy!
Also true. But what I was getting at was, if we are going to supposedly enter this realm, we wouldn't be able to describe it. I know he can understand them, but we won't be ourselves if we ever go to this alternate ream. Things like Joy won't exist.
Yes. This idea has been around for countless centuries.
You learn something new every day!
Eternity can certainly be linked with logic, as the concept is comprehendable, albeit to a limited extent. The very idea of eternity cannot be entirely understood by our time-constricted minds, and the very nature of time itself has been a much disputed philosophical issue. Is time subjective or objective?
Well time depends on circumstance. If I were traveling near the speed of light, time would be considerably slowed. But to an observer or a still person, time would be moving slowly. I could leave that person (think young) for a mere minute and come back to a 60 year old man. Although time can be warped, and relative, it still goes on. Though I don't think time is subjective. It is a concrete concept and opinion doesn't corrupt its certitude.
Are you stating we created the concept, or merely the word? I must know before I can answer this properly.
Well, we created the word to explain the concept. Omnipotence is a human concept that obviously can't logically exist. So the concept was also created by us. (along with many other logical fallacies)
Can't you consider virtually everything an idea?
My materialistic side wants to say no, but my philosophical side is screaming yes. I am merely ambivalent right now. :brickwall:
I hope that you would allow me to quote a post to someone else about this same topic. (It may not be entirely relevant)
"It is a good point, but there is a glaring flaw. If that deity cannot be disproved with the concepts of our realm, (time ect.) then nothing from our lexicon could be used to even explain that deity.[Which still stands] If I couldn't disprove that her realm needed to be created and that she couldn't have been the cause, then nothing in her realm is logical. No logic can be applied and the only thing she can begat in her realm would be completely inconceivable and illogical itself. So, what's wrong with that? All that means is that we just can't understand her, right? Well, the thing is, we can't even use the term illogic to describe her realm. That creates quite a quagmire. She can't be illogical and she can't be logical, at the same time! Because we can't use those terms. So now try it with the terms existence and nonexistence.
Now, I know you are thinking "Strawman!" But I was merely covering the popular position that "god's ways are not our ways" and that our logic can't be used on her.
But, the other option is that this deity is logical . . . (what ever else follows doesn't matter) Time does not permit a logical and infinite being."