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Marius
 
Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2010 12:30 pm
My real name is Jeff. I have taken college (not university) courses on basic logic, philosophy of ethics, and philosophy of religion. In addition to that I went through a long phase of general investigation into the field of philosophy. There have been times when I've considered myself a neoplatonist, a pantheist, a stoic, an epicurianist, a cynic, and most recently an existentialist/humanist. My journey seems to have been a shift from transcendent and absolute ideals to immanent and relative ones. I'm still a humanist but I am now interested in a redefining approach to nihilism. In almost every definition the word nihilism is associated with despair and anguish at the thought of not having a purpose to the universe and to life. My idea though is that the condition of there not being a major philosophic purpose in life in turn gives on the freedom to LOOK at that condition in any way they choose (sort of like existentialism.) Hence one can look at a chaotic existence as exciting and full of surprises, just as much as one can look at it as lost and without worth.
 
Krumple
 
Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2010 12:38 pm
@Marius,
Marius;130319 wrote:
My idea though is that the condition of there not being a major philosophic purpose in life in turn gives on the freedom to LOOK at that condition in any way they choose (sort of like existentialism.) Hence one can look at a chaotic existence as exciting and full of surprises, just as much as one can look at it as lost and without worth.


Welcome to the forum. I agree completely with you. By having no programming we are free to become what ever we wish, weather for good or bad. Having no purpose allows for any purpose.

You are not a nihilist you are a realist.
 
Marius
 
Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2010 12:53 pm
@Krumple,
Thanks. Btw does you or anybody here know why I can't post in the Philosophy of Language forum yet?
 
Krumple
 
Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2010 01:01 pm
@Marius,
You should be able to now, all new members must first make an interduction post to unlock their posting privileges.
 
Marius
 
Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2010 01:35 pm
@Krumple,
There we go :a-ok:
 
jgweed
 
Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2010 09:28 am
@Marius,
Welcome to Philforum!
The problem of Nihilism (and the word can be many things to many people) is one of the central concerns of Nietzsche's thinking. Reading him might add important perspectives to your understanding of it.
Regards,
John
 
Leonard
 
Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2010 05:17 pm
@Marius,
Hello and welcome to the forum. Philosophy is indeed a great way to broaden one's perspectives and investigate ideas others may deem unimportant.
 
Marius
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 11:29 am
@Marius,
Quote:
The problem of Nihilism (and the word can be many things to many people) is one of the central concerns of Nietzsche's thinking.


I have read Nietzsche and for a long while I happily agreed with him. But it has occured to me that Nietzsche never seemed to give a reason for regarding Nihilism so bleakly. As I recall he seemed to depicted his overman as someone who could adapt well in post-theistic times. Rather than binding his potential to the limits and labels set by a perceived deity or for that matter any presupposed doctrine over his nature, or feeling compelled to grieve at being denied a world of meaning and purpose that he's never truly known anyway, he would live his life by will alone - putting faith in his pure nature but without presupposing what that nature is - and around this sort of anti-creed he would then rebuild society.

But as for Nihilism, he simply went with the notion of: They're the villians, and their world is a grim fate we should avoid. Yet the very overman he seemed to champion (and the existentialists which seem to fulfill the role of the overman) could still be called Nihilism. The title indicates a sense of purposelessness or non-objectivity to existence. But there's no real reason why one has to be emo about it.

So if that's all Nietzsche had to say against nihilism, why should I give him anymore heed than the dogmas and fundamentalisms he announced as dead?
 
jgweed
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 11:50 am
@Marius,
I might suggest that Nietzsche's thinking about Nihilism, even though preliminary and sketchy, as one of the major crises of the modern world was somewhat more complex than appears at first sight. Since I was unaware of your having read him, I thought it important to mention him.
 
Marius
 
Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2010 02:48 pm
@Marius,
Yea I know and maybe you're right about his view of Nihilism meaning something more. I just unfortunately haven't caught any major indication of that. He instead seems to have associated the term with the pessimism that Schopenhauer suffered in his nihilism. In this he forgets that grief and depression are COMMON consequences of one loosing faith in ANY worldview or lifestyle which have been held so passionately for so long. You might feel lost and and demoralized in leaving a religion like christianity or islam, and thus onlookers might associate such a mood with atheism. But that just means a person should be careful when making life changing or faith changing decisions. Make it a gradual and well founded (either emotionally or intellectually.) It's surprising how well off one can sometimes be in living under their own power and looking at the world with their own two eyes - so to speak.
 
 

 
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