@TalkingBook,
Quote:The first question I would ask you is what do you think a metaphysical statement is, and what would be your criterion of meaningfulness. Have you any examples in mind? Here is a metaphysical statement I think is meaningful and true. What exists must have properties. What about that one? (In my opinion, there is sensible metaphysics and also, silly metaphysics).
Arrg. I was writing a better response to this earlier when the Uni computer I was on suddenly killed my connection and thus my post as well. Here's a much less inspired response:
You're right of course that I'm unable to define "metaphysical statement", or even "metaphysics" for that matter. It seems like nobody has been able to do this. After doing a bit of research, I've decided that "ontological" is probably more the term I was shooting for, though you'd be able to catch me with the same question again, as defining ontology is just as difficult it seems. However, according to the
outline provided by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, it seems to better describe what I meant.
Of course you've also got me on "meaningful". To be honest I'm not sure how I would define it in this context, and would therefore leave it out for the time being. After these modifications my original thought ends up looking something like this:
"Neither Philosophy nor Science are capable of making ontological statements."
I'm not happy with this statement. Leaving out the "meaningful" changes the meaning (imagine!) to something I didn't intend, as ontological statements are made all the time, and are therefore capable of being made. I think what I may have meant with "meaningful" was actually that while it is possible to form ontological statements, it is impossible to test the truth of any such claim without making unfounded assumptions. It seems to me (and my wealth of inexperience) that any ontological statement ultimately makes such assumptions.
To come to your example,
"What exists must have properties."
(I assume from what I read from the Stanford that this is a valid
ontological statement, let me know if you're of a different opinion.) This seems to me to be quite logical; but, it also seems to presuppose that the logic system upon which it is built is actually valid. That is, why can we assume that our idea of logic is actually always true? I realize that this is a rather radical position to take up, and personally I most emphatically DO believe that logic is 100% A-OK, but I don't see any way to really prove anything about it one way or the other.
Then again, if I think about the Cogito, it's rather obvious that there
is something, whatever that
is may mean. In which case your statement would seem to be inevitably correct, as for something to be extant it does seem to require some property. In other words, I'm getting lost and will give the mic back to you in hopes of some words of wisdom. :deep-thought:
An aside: Has anyone ever attempted to refute the Cogito?