Jehovah's Witnesses - similarities??

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Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 10:42 am
Jehovah's Witnesses - similarities??
Hi Everyone! I hope you don't mind me joining this forum as I'm interested in finding out how similiar The Children of God is to Jehovah's Witnesses.

I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness (JW) and have now been out for 4 years. Last year I finally wrote a letter of disassociation because the elders (group leaders) would not stop pestering me. Within the last 9 mths, I have discovered numerous sites and books about JWs and former members which has helped me to finally confront my fears and guilt.

To get to the point, I joined a small support group for people with cult related problems and was quite astonished how similar the mind-control tatics are and the struggle that people have to leave and their quest to integrate in society.

Can someone summarise the The Children of God doctrine?

Thanks - Jenny Very Happy
 
Thorwald 1
 
Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 10:56 am
Jenny,

Welcome! Glad to have you.

I have a friend who is a former JW and we both agree that there are many similarities between our (former) groups.

Have you checked out the following for more information on TFIs doctrines?
- http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Category:Beliefs
- http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Category:Practices
 
Sugarcane
 
Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 11:23 am
Thanks so much Thorwald! I was curious when one of the group members said that Women prostitute themselves for Jesus. I've just seen that this is referred to as 'Flirty Fishing'.

I read another post where it sounds like education is also something the cult hinder, just like JWs

Thank you so much for the links, I will be reading them with great interest.

Jenny
 
evanman
 
Reply Tue 16 May, 2006 02:00 pm
You will find some similarities with the doctrines, but not many.

The similarities would be mostly in how both groups operate their heirarchical and disciplinary practices.

Both groups reject the Bible as the final authority on matters of doctrine and practice. For the JW's they have the Watchtower as the final authority, CoG/TF have the Mo-letters and Karen Zerby's & Peter Amsterdamn's writings.

Both groups teach their own peculiar escatological teaching (endtime doctrine) in which both have the "correct teaching".

Both groups see themselves as the only "true christians", or followers of God.

Within both groups child sexual abuse has occurred, however the difference within the JW's is that this was never an official doctrine, whereas with CoG/TF it has been.
 
Sugarcane
 
Reply Wed 17 May, 2006 10:37 am
Thanks Evanman,

I think you're right, now that I've read a little bit of the CoG ideology. Although JWs would say that the bible is their authority, which clearly isn't, as they have a plethora of books and mags they use to teach their doctrines, not to mention 'their' own bible.

Many thanks..............hope you don't me sharing some of this with my ex-JWs friends.

Very Happy Jenny
 
Anonymous
 
Reply Wed 17 May, 2006 04:11 pm
No problem.

Of course JW's have been around for over a hundred years, whereas CoG/TF have only been around since the late 1960's.

Historically the have been other "sex cults", the Agape Community, The Oneida Community, Mormons, The Agapemonites, Battle Axes, Brothers and Sisters of the Free Spirit, The Fellowship of the New Life, The Philadelphians, Abbey of Thelema, April Farm Love Colony, Arizona Abode of Love, Aghora, The Cainites, Tantra, Set cult, Sabbateans, Doenmeh, Frankists, Dionysian cult, Daeva-Yasna, Cybele cult, Isis cult, Tammuz, Barbeloites, the Nicolaitans, Cult of Antinous, amongst others.
 
Sugarcane
 
Reply Thu 18 May, 2006 10:09 am
Incredible!

Shocked
 
Jack 2
 
Reply Fri 19 May, 2006 02:05 pm
Interestingly enough, most (or all) of these groups see themselves as the only "true christians", or followers of "the one true God". This would almost be comical if it wasn't so sad.
 
evanman
 
Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:35 am
Jack wrote:
Interestingly enough, most (or all) of these groups see themselves as the only "true christians", or followers of "the one true God". This would almost be comical if it wasn't so sad.


Most of the cults I listed were NOT claiming to be "Christian"!

Abbey of Thelema--was Aleister Crowley's group (Satanists),

Tantra, Set cult, Doenmeh, Frankists, Dionysian cult, Daeva-Yasna, Cybele cult, Isis cult, Tammuz, Barbeloites, Cult of Antinous were all pagan,

Sabbateans, was a Jewish cult.
 
Jack 2
 
Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 03:14 pm
I didn't read your list initially but I'm sure most of your examples are not Christian because as a volunteer member of various Christianity based cults, you are biased. I was not referencing your list, I was referencing the entire spectrum of cults out there.

For an example, there are The Children of God (ever heard of them? Oh yeah! YOU JOINED THEM!), The Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholics, Christian Scientists (yeah, there's an oxymoron for yah), The Branch Davidians, The Kingston Cult, The Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God, The Pentecostal Church (yeah they did it too), The New Apostolic Order in Messiah or the Twelve Tribes, The Christ Church (not a sex cult but they do kill kids for Jesus). That's just to name a few off the top of my head. If I have to research this, you're in big trouble.

Now, I your natural response is going to be to copy and paste an even bigger list of child abusing "pagan" cults from some web site but that is a pointless endeavour. Because I am not defending them. I hate them and fight them just as much as I hate and fight the cults you support.
 
evanman
 
Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 05:13 am
Guess you should add the Anti-cult cult, as well!
 
Jack 2
 
Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 01:16 pm
No, actually you can't. Don't be stupid. Anyone who claims to be "anti-cult" yet remains part of any religion is a hypocrite. Religion is a key element in defining a cult. There is no leadership, scriptures or false god in my anti-cult/anti-religion crusade.

Quote:
cult (kŭlt) n.

1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
2. The followers of such a religion or sect.
 
evanman
 
Reply Mon 22 May, 2006 01:08 pm
The definition you have quoted is dealing with religious cults.

There are non-religious cults, such as certain political groups.

There is also the "Cult of Personality".

A number of marxist regimes engage in this cult, they even have quasi-religious trappings.

Mao, Hoxha, Ceauscescu, Stalin, Lenin all had their worshippers. They used icons, had their "saints", "martyrs" etc.

People would go on "pilgrimage" Lenin's tomb to see the embalmed relics of the Father of the USSR with the hopes of gaining virtue from such a visit.

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/wiki/images/thumb/a/a6/300px-Ac.kimilsung3.jpg

http://www.hauntedink.com/almaty/turkmen01.jpg

http://www.beyondtheforest.com/Media/Ceausescu1.jpg
"Saint" Nicolai and "Santa" Elena of Romania.
 
Jack 2
 
Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 10:02 am
Regardless of your off-topic images (ripped from Wikipedia's "Cult of Personality") and name dropping, you're still grossly incorrect. I am not a charismatic leader of any sort. I have no followers (Because I advocate individuals thinking for themselves. Anyone who blindly listens to me is just as dumb as your average christian douche). I live in mostly conventional manners. I have no religion and do not worship. Other than sleeping, showering and masturbation I have no rituals. Everything I say is based on science and I feel comfortable with anyone challenging my theories and am delighted to adjust my beliefs should I be found wrong. I've been devoted to a girlfriend in the past and I'm pretty committed to my principles. I do hang out with a group of persons who are of both artistic and intellectual interest but virtually nothing I do is could be considered cult-like.

The use of the term "Cult of Personality" is an entirely un-related subject. Appending the "..of Personality" to "cult" changes it's meaning significantly. Did you even read the page your ripped your images off of? And, sure, some of your nasty dictator examples did have "quasi-religious trappings" and their variations of "saints" and "martyrs" but it far from justifies corrupt christian (and other religious) cults and your apparent habit of joining them.

Here's an another, extended definition of the word:
Quote:
cult (kŭlt) n.

1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. b. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5a. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. b. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest.

Regardless of whether you feel I am in the wrong for not being a part of your perversion, one thing should be very clear: You are a member of a cult. I am not.
 
evanman
 
Reply Tue 23 May, 2006 04:32 pm
Sorry, I googled the images!
 
 

 
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