Re: My Christmas Gift for All of You!
Black Elk wrote:
Unlike Thorwald, I'm not interested in debating whether you can actually do what you claim.
Actually, if you re-read my post, I explicitly stated: "I do not
wish to get into a debate with you, but I must point out nonsense whenever I find it". (emphasis added)
However, this might be a bit of fun and liven up the forum, so...
Have you even read the Bible brother??
Many times. I was forced to memorize hundreds (maybe even thousands) of verses, as I was born-and-raised in the COG/TFI cult.
Sorry, but I don't believe in a "spiritual" world, so there is no "coma" for me to wake up from. I also do not believe in "faith", so it is not "oh ye of little faith", for me, it is "oh ye with zero
Of course cavemen (or even someone from a few hundred years ago) would find just about everything in our modern world to be "extraordinary" (and many would, wrongly, attribute it to the supernatural). As Arthur C. Clake notes, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
My point was that if we were to bring one of these cavemen into our present and explain to them how it works, allow them to touch the airplane, take a ride in one, etc., etc., they would have all the "proof" they need that it is a very physical object and that there was nothing supernatural about it. Here the "extraordinary claim" (i.e., we can make a heavier-than-air object fly) is backed up by the "extraordinary proof" (i.e., you can touch it and take a ride in it). This is the world of difference between what you claim and what we can test.
Obviously we are making discoveries all the time. I would be a fool to rule anything out (and I don't). All I am asking is for anyone making "extraordinary claims" to back them up with "extraordinary proof". There is nothing in my mind that is "made up" and I am always happy to have my beliefs challenged. That is the difference between me and a religious person: I will gladly admit I am wrong and don't know the answer. It is the religious person who doesn't wish to be "confused by the facts".