What is a REAL Christian and what is a REAL church?
What is a REAL Christian?
I ask this specifically to you ex-FI/COG members. (Note: I am not an ex family member)
Before you answer... please read further.
When I read The Family's Statement of Faith http://www.thefamily.org/en/about/our-beliefs/
it all seems pretty much like they believe what most evangelical christians believe. But if you scroll down to point 30 it is clear that their viewpoint on sexuality is different to what most evangelical churches preach (OK, OK, this we all know already!) I think it is safe to assume that most of you participating in this forum and know the history of FI would agree that The Family IS NOT a real christian church, thus, a sect and/or a cult.
It would be interesting to know how many ex-members:
(a) still believe in a god, (b) does not believe in a god (c) still attend a christian church (which I can imagine is hard to choose from, because you get so many different denominations).
I hope you guys see this as fair questions to ask. Maybe this topic has come up already in other posts. Please send me the links if there are!
From the posts I have read so far on this forum, it is becoming clear to me that there are basically two camps of ex-members: those who believe (in God) and those who don't. The common denominator here is the experiences you guys had in The Family. It would be interesting to know WHY some of you still believe in a loving God IN SPITE of the abuses you went through, and WHY some of you don't believe in a god anymore - is it because
of the abuses, or because of the weird mixture of christianity AND sexual abuses, or has it nothing
to do with your experiences in The Family? (Sorry I know these are VERY personal issues and it must seem very brash of me as an ex-member to ask such questions). Please let me know if I am stepping on any toes. I am not trying to be sensational, I just honestly wonder about these things.
If I can divert a little bit here... I heard different accounts of ex-family members ending up in the sex trade. I find this very sad
Two days ago I watched the Montel Williams interview with Davida Kelley http://video.xfamily.org/view/62/montel-williams-escaping-a-cult/
I know Montel isn't exactly the king of interviewers (frankly I can't stand his way of talking and he seems insincere and "showmanny" to me). But with that said, at the end of the talk he touches on a very sensitive point and seems genuienly concerned when he confronts Davida to get out of the sex business she is in. I find it truly ironic that after one flees from a sex sult one ends up having to use sex as a means to support yourself! This makes me so angry
towards The Family, even though I am not an ex-member! I sincerely wish Davida will get the total freedom she so desperately craves and deserves!
Anyway this raises more questions, and it might be another topic for another time: How many ex-members are (a) currently involved in some kind of sex trade and why, and (b) believe in "free love" VS believe in monogamous relationships? It is also interesting to note that Davida said in an interview with Larry King that she still believes in Jesus even though she is a fetish model. So I guess the quesion then is, CAN one be a christian AND be sexually active outside the confines of marriage or be involved in open sexual practices? Well, The Family did and still do believe this, and that's what caused all the "%*# problems to begin with!!!
Please allow me to go off the point with something else...I guess another question I still have (specifically to the ones of you who DO believe in God)
, is HOW COULD GOD ALLOW THE ABUSE THAT HAPPENED TO YOU, and how did you come to a point that you forgave God for what happened to you? It's one
thing to say, well it was the ABUSERS that performed the evil acts on me, not God. But then I must raise the point: It was God that allowed it!
I would very much like to hear comments on this from ex-members who now profess to be christians. I got a great answer from Thorwald (and his reasoning makes a lot of sense) when I asked the same question in another topic I posted (QUESTIONS http://xchildrenofgod.xfamily.org/general/questions-t6767.html
Anyway, sorry for the many questions. The main question
I wanted to ask you guys was what is a REAL christian (as supposed to a FI christian), and in the same breath, what is a REAL church then?
Looking forward to your replies!