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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 03:55 pm
beilief in god
please excuse my spelling its late here!!!!, i have question for all.... may i ask why you still beilieve in god??? im just curious and by no means am i having a go i just want to know why when MANY of you suffered so badly in gods name you still have belief??? i myself belive that EVERYONE is judeged on there behaviour love and kindness (no god involved) i suppose i struggle to understand how you can remain so commited, i have rad not with out my sisters and this seemed to reinforce my belife that there is no god i have do not mean to annoy people i jst really want to uinderstand
thankyou for your time xx
 
m 2
 
Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 04:00 pm
I don't believe. And not because of anything that happened while in TF, as that is fully compatible with a god's existence, but for purely intellectual reasons.
 
Thorwald 1
 
Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 05:11 pm
I also don't believe in God (or anything supernatural, for that matter). My reasons are similar to m's: I thought a lot about religion and God(s) and read a lot and used what Nature gave me, my intellect, and concluded that it was all rubbish.

I don't agree with the statement that TFI "ruined my religion and/or faith in God". I'd like to think that I would have decided not to believe no matter how I was raised.
 
mrs reaper
 
Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 07:30 am
thankyou for your replies meant alot thankyou xxx
 
evanman
 
Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 09:36 am
I am one of those people who do believe in God. I did before I joined CoG/TF. How can people believe all the rubbish spouted by religions? The same way that many people believed the BBC report in 1957 on the spaghetti harvest in Ticino, Switzerland;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42742000/jpg/_42742293_spag2.203.jpg

Or the way that the German people believed that the destruction of the Reichstag building was the work of Communists;
http://www.answers.com/topic/reichstag-fire

These are a few examples of normally sane rational people believing lies.

The first was an innocent prank (April Fools), the second was the pivotal point in Hitler's rise to power.
 
WalkerJ 1
 
Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 10:31 am
evanman wrote:
I am one of those people who do believe in God. I did before I joined CoG/TF. How can people believe all the rubbish spouted by religions? The same way that many people believed the BBC report in 1957 on the spaghetti harvest in Ticino, Switzerland;
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42742000/jpg/_42742293_spag2.203.jpg

Or the way that the German people believed that the destruction of the Reichstag building was the work of Communists;
http://www.answers.com/topic/reichstag-fire

These are a few examples of normally sane rational people believing lies.

The first was an innocent prank (April Fools), the second was the pivotal point in Hitler's rise to power.

I think this is your best argument against religion so far, evanman.

I take it you concede that as a Christian, you, too, may be a victim of an elaborate hoax or historical inaccuracy?
 
winter 1
 
Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 11:47 pm
Dear Mrs. Reaper,

Thanks for being concerned about us children of TF. Please define God.

Thanks. Have a nice Sunday!
 
mrs reaper
 
Reply Sun 22 Jul, 2007 01:38 pm
define god? thats very easy.... a man made myth which is used to control, manipulate and put fear in to anyone who chooses to be brain washed by it.... please explain how there is so many different gods and different religions??


p.s had a great sunday thankyou
 
winter 1
 
Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 07:50 am
mrs reaper wrote:
define god? thats very easy.... a man made myth which is used to control, manipulate and put fear in to anyone who chooses to be brain washed by it.... please explain how there is so many different gods and different religions??


p.s had a great sunday thankyou


I see. I would find it very difficult to say I believed such a concept. In fact I know I could not believe in such a concept. I wonder why you assumed that any of us 2nd generation believe in such a concept. Why did you think that?
 
mrs reaper
 
Reply Mon 23 Jul, 2007 10:48 am
i never assumed you believed in these concepts you asked me to define god and i defined MY OPNION on god simple as. i wasnt aware religion had different generations i thought it was same regardles of time or era.
you also never answered my question on why there are so many different gods and different religions?
 
winter 1
 
Reply Tue 24 Jul, 2007 06:39 am
mrs reaper wrote:
i never assumed you believed in these concepts you asked me to define god and i defined MY OPNION on god simple as. i wasnt aware religion had different generations i thought it was same regardles of time or era.
you also never answered my question on why there are so many different gods and different religions?


You said in your original post:
"i have question for all.... may i ask why you still beilieve in god???"

Now I am a bit confused. Do you mean to say that your opinion of God was not included in your question?

I answered that I do not believe in that concept. I don't really understand what you mean by religion having generations. Perhas it does. Though I do not in any way think that what my parents believe in has merit. If that is what you mean by generations, then no, religion is discarded with my generation. I can learn more things by watching. I have no need to draw assumptions. I am not afraid to die. Therefore, I am not in a hurry to prove anything. What I need to do, is make decisions. I must judge here and now. That's my job. What food do I buy today? What job do I accept? What do I invest it? You know things like that. Other things are like a rubrics cube - a little twiddle of the thumbs.

Your explanation, quite a common one BTW, explains your question. However, it still doesn't explain the paranormal. These freak things that happen now and then. Science doesn't explain them either. So people build religions around them while other people deny it altogether. I think both are wrong. How many of these trivial things really affect our everyday life? Furthermore, if people understood more about their life, then they may be able to learn from it. They should look within instead of peering out into a void.

IMO, all this talk of God is not as important as another issue. I think this is the real question to ask:

Are we only physical? Or are we also spiritual? You know, like occult and stuff like that - like occlusion as in cannot see it. Or to put it more clearly: Does some of us exist after we die? Is a part of us immortal?

Why is this an issue? Well, looking at the direction gaming is taking, soon we will be able to jump into a box and live in a VR. Movies come to mind. This action would of course be alright if we were simply material and our brains were processing input from our nerves. If we could simulate a wonderful reality for everyone who would like it, I think a lot of people would do it. With the advances in medicine, these "brains in a box" people could perhaps live forever or maybe a really long long time in this VR that is tailor made for them and all their desires. The problem would occur after they die. If their spirits continued to exist after their death, these spirits would be very weak, bratty, babies.

You know what I'm sayin? Weird huh? That's why I think it is an important issue for anyone to investigate and discuss. I think it is really he issue at hand for mankind.
 
JASONLANIK
 
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 05:45 pm
Re: beilief in god
mrs reaper wrote:
please excuse my spelling its late here!!!!, i have question for all.... may i ask why you still beilieve in god??? im just curious and by no means am i having a go i just want to know why when MANY of you suffered so badly in gods name you still have belief??? i myself belive that EVERYONE is judeged on there behaviour love and kindness (no god involved) i suppose i struggle to understand how you can remain so commited, i have rad not with out my sisters and this seemed to reinforce my belife that there is no god i have do not mean to annoy people i jst really want to uinderstand
thankyou for your time xx
If you believe that EVERYONE is judged on their behavior, love and kindness(no God involved) then who is the judge you are indicating judges everyone?
 
JASONLANIK
 
Reply Tue 4 Sep, 2007 05:54 pm
Why there are so many religions reply
winter wrote:
mrs reaper wrote:
define god? thats very easy.... a man made myth which is used to control, manipulate and put fear in to anyone who chooses to be brain washed by it.... please explain how there is so many different gods and different religions??


p.s had a great sunday thankyou
I am not sure why there is many religions but think about this,there are so many religions and have been since the beginning probably because there really is a "GOD" and we as humans just get confused on what name to call him.Never the less all religions do have one thing in common and that is the acknowladgement of a "HIGHER POWER".Is that coinsidence or has all the people with a religion been brainwashed?That would include 90% of all the people in the world.

I see. I would find it very difficult to say I believed such a concept. In fact I know I could not believe in such a concept. I wonder why you assumed that any of us 2nd generation believe in such a concept. Why did you think that?
 
winter 1
 
Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 10:04 pm
Re: Why there are so many religions reply
JASONLANIK wrote:
winter wrote:
mrs reaper wrote:
define god? thats very easy.... a man made myth which is used to control, manipulate and put fear in to anyone who chooses to be brain washed by it.... please explain how there is so many different gods and different religions??


p.s had a great sunday thankyou
I am not sure why there is many religions but think about this,there are so many religions and have been since the beginning probably because there really is a "GOD" and we as humans just get confused on what name to call him.Never the less all religions do have one thing in common and that is the acknowladgement of a "HIGHER POWER".Is that coinsidence or has all the people with a religion been brainwashed?That would include 90% of all the people in the world.

I see. I would find it very difficult to say I believed such a concept. In fact I know I could not believe in such a concept. I wonder why you assumed that any of us 2nd generation believe in such a concept. Why did you think that?


Did I really say the above? I think someone is putting words in my mouth.
 
winter 1
 
Reply Thu 13 Sep, 2007 10:05 pm
Re: beilief in god
JASONLANIK wrote:
mrs reaper wrote:
please excuse my spelling its late here!!!!, i have question for all.... may i ask why you still beilieve in god??? im just curious and by no means am i having a go i just want to know why when MANY of you suffered so badly in gods name you still have belief??? i myself belive that EVERYONE is judeged on there behaviour love and kindness (no god involved) i suppose i struggle to understand how you can remain so commited, i have rad not with out my sisters and this seemed to reinforce my belife that there is no god i have do not mean to annoy people i jst really want to uinderstand
thankyou for your time xx
If you believe that EVERYONE is judged on their behavior, love and kindness(no God involved) then who is the judge you are indicating judges everyone?


BTW, this "judge" very well may be yourself. Ooooo...
 
WalkerJ 1
 
Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 08:17 am
Re: Why there are so many religions reply
winter wrote:
Did I really say the above? I think someone is putting words in my mouth.
It's more likely that the quote tags are misplaced and Jason's reply was inadvertently attributed to you.
 
winter 1
 
Reply Fri 14 Sep, 2007 08:19 pm
Re: Why there are so many religions reply
WalkerJ wrote:
winter wrote:
Did I really say the above? I think someone is putting words in my mouth.
It's more likely that the quote tags are misplaced and Jason's reply was inadvertently attributed to you.


I see.
 
mrs reaper
 
Reply Sat 15 Sep, 2007 10:03 am
the people who judge me are people who matter my family friends and all the people i meet through my life that if i have lived my life the right way will talk about me only in a good way wen im gone and keep my memory alive. wen i die i die simple turn in to worm food nothing more but i DO live on in my children and thier memories and thats good enough for me, if i havent explained myself properly im sorry and i in noway am implying that belief is wrong if thats what you choose and im sorry if i have without realising offended anyone
 
 

 
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