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thorwald, is your link good? i can't see it.
I think it is rather bad taste to mock anyone - living or dead, rich or poor, wise or foolish. I have done so in the past, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth.
winter wrote:I think it is rather bad taste to mock anyone - living or dead, rich or poor, wise or foolish. I have done so in the past, but it always left a bad taste in my mouth.
Would you consider it "bad taste" to mock Santa Claus or the Flying Spaghetti Monster? If not, and, as I believe, Jesus (as described by Christians) is no more real than Santa Claus, what's the difference? Note that I am not mocking someone's right to believe whatever they want. Also note that my linking to the above images does not constitute "mocking".
In any case, I would have no problem with Jesus or religion if it were not for the millions of Christians trying to tell me how to live my life, place incompetent politicians in office (who are at their beck-and-call), constantly try to undo the progress we have made with describing the natural world (via science), etc. If they would just leave the rest of us who find their beliefs not good enough, I would leave them alone. However, they have declared war on science and I intend to do everything in my power to see that they do not win!
If Christians are free to tell me that, as an atheist, I shall "spend eternity in a lake of fire while gnashing my teeth", then I feel it appropriate to inform them that I find them and their beliefs downright silly!
Finally, I do not just have a problem with Christianity; I have a problem with _all_ religions and beliefs that do not hold up to testable scrutiny. I just happen to live in a society where Christianity is especially pronounced.
The one has historical records.
winter wrote:The one has historical records.
Wait. I assume you are not meaning the Bible as your "historical record" here? I also assume you know that only two of the 40+ scholarly historians alive during and immediately after the alleged life of Jesus wrote anything about him? The most famous was Josephus. However, his reference to Jesus has since been proven to be a much later addition (probably several hundred years after the death of Josephus). The other historian, Suetonius, wrote a _single_ sentence: "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, [Emperor Claudius in 49 CE] expelled them from Rome." Even though even misspelled the Greek title and "Chrestus" was a common Greek name.
That's the "historical record" of Jesus' life. The historical record of St. Nicholas is _much_ fuller than that!
PS: I am not an expert on the history of the first two centuries CE, so feel free to point out any other sources I have missed.
PPS: See Did a historical Jesus exist? for a good read. Includes references at the bottom.