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Reply Wed 20 Apr, 2011 07:13 pm
Is there a perfect government? If so, what?
 
LogicTangerine
 
Reply Thu 28 Apr, 2011 06:19 pm
@hamilton,
There can and should never be a perfect anything, especially government, that way we can have constant improvement...so you can take as the perfect gov is one that constantly strives to improve its system of governance to better suit the people.
 
hamilton
 
Reply Sun 1 May, 2011 11:35 am
when it is anarchy with some form of restraint on people, it ensures equality, which is the most important thing in a government. the alternative would be communism, with a select group of leaders, with no way of receiving bribes, or any corruption. the only problem would be election. if chosen at birth, though, it would ensure that they are well educated, and guided, so long as the teachers are not power hungry (trying to influence them) another method for the education that could stop corruption would be that the leaders are isolated from birth, and keep getting new teachers, and are taught how to lead in a fair way. to be chosen, they could be volunteered by families, tested, and if they succeed, then they are taken away from the families. this may seem cruel, but it seemed to work well for Jedi, and the only reason they failed was that goddamn anikan skywalker, and palpatine. the system seemed to be pretty golden. sorry if this is a bit unimaginative, but it does kind of make sense.
 
hamilton
 
Reply Fri 6 May, 2011 05:58 am
@hamilton,
no, scratch that. this would be better.if a straightforward democracy (everyone votes on two sides of a matter) were a world thing, then it would definitely give rise to conflict. however, as a smaller, more individualistic government, like, for a small town, it would probably work out. what i would propose as an alternative would be a blend between the two. think of an upside tree diagram. lots of little groups vote on a matter,and what ever side is passed moves up to a representative to vote on that side of it, and what ever that decides the representative of that group votes in favor of, and so on. sorry if this is a bit unclear. just ask what you dont understand, and il try to clarify.
and by the way, those are not things You said to me, they are things I said to me.
 
Tifinden
 
Reply Fri 13 May, 2011 09:09 pm
@hamilton,
A perfect government is difficult to define, and even more difficult to conduct- perfection is the most illusive element to sustain once achieved!
Were there to every be a perfect government, it would be immediately imperfect- government, unless we, if anyone would begin to expound thoughts on my religions in government forum, define with alternate definitions, is a system which creates a pretense of protecting the people of a said political division- that is to say, it serves to disband mass murder, and all sorts of human atrocities from rendering society obsolete and an infernal hell. When in the protection of any subject, there is consistently an element of power or some form of force which is applied in order to exhibit the power with adequate magnitude to control masses, or a populace. With this power, in eventuality protrudes a figure who is eminent when compared to all the rest- this eminence is defined by their eventual power in government based on this entities ability and action of enforcing laws. Without exerted power, humans may never be controlled, and political efforts are rendered completely hopeless and futile. Once an eventual leader or superior figure is established, the masses begin to revolt, based on the inherent human lust for freedom, and our innate sense of oppression or knowledge of restrictions or hinderances placed upon ourselves. With this knowledge, then there develops opposition, and soon, the government is contending with a large mass and will be prodded and probed for weakness until it succumbs to human will and persistence, one of our most endearing qualities, mind you! Now, amidst the deteriorating rubble of a fallen and failed government, the process cyclicly begins to reform, as in the continual water cycle, and the entire ordeal ensues once more. Apply the latter to almost any situation and you should find that it is relevant. Government seeks to control wild beast of ideology, idealism, self-concern, and general ignorance, which, in combination, serve as a volatile combination to corrode the basis of government. A perfect government is a futile notion, because government by definition must be perfect. The human race will not allow itself to be ruled, we are an irrevocably begun system which thrives upon external and internal influence and which fluctuates tremendously. Like the uranium atom, eventually, when too many protons are "fired" into the nucleus, the coagulating mass will eventually split, and such it is with government. Government is a terrible wish, especially in democracy, which merely endows the masses with an extensive ability to affect their government and lends them to believe in freedoms which are insane and improbable. Government is also like the commercial industry- there is never any explanation regarding the functionality of the product, it is simply the consumer's prerogative to invest in the product- such it is as well with government. But fine, chase lustily after your perfect government, for you might as well begin now, for in the world of quantum mechanics, you are bound to walk through a wall, at least once, if you repeatedly attempt the feat millions upon millions upon billions of times.
Why search for perfect government when we know government is consistently dysfunctional- let us seek for more prudent manners of "governing" and let us remember to distinguish between "government" and "government", for they are two separate notions and concepts- I would prefer to find the perfect system for "governing". (Council of elvin elders, spiritual guidance, or even oppression by inhuman forces- however even this eventually leads to the derivative of human development and human involvement- perhaps could we reverse the flow and continuity of life and evolution since the dawn of the Earth in entirety, everything would be much easier.
 
hamilton
 
Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 12:40 pm
@Tifinden,
Tifinden wrote:

A perfect government is difficult to define, and even more difficult to conduct- perfection is the most illusive element to sustain once achieved!
Were there to every be a perfect government, it would be immediately imperfect- government, unless we, if anyone would begin to expound thoughts on my religions in government forum, define with alternate definitions, is a system which creates a pretense of protecting the people of a said political division- that is to say, it serves to disband mass murder, and all sorts of human atrocities from rendering society obsolete and an infernal hell. When in the protection of any subject, there is consistently an element of power or some form of force which is applied in order to exhibit the power with adequate magnitude to control masses, or a populace. With this power, in eventuality protrudes a figure who is eminent when compared to all the rest- this eminence is defined by their eventual power in government based on this entities ability and action of enforcing laws. Without exerted power, humans may never be controlled, and political efforts are rendered completely hopeless and futile. Once an eventual leader or superior figure is established, the masses begin to revolt, based on the inherent human lust for freedom, and our innate sense of oppression or knowledge of restrictions or hinderances placed upon ourselves. With this knowledge, then there develops opposition, and soon, the government is contending with a large mass and will be prodded and probed for weakness until it succumbs to human will and persistence, one of our most endearing qualities, mind you! Now, amidst the deteriorating rubble of a fallen and failed government, the process cyclicly begins to reform, as in the continual water cycle, and the entire ordeal ensues once more. Apply the latter to almost any situation and you should find that it is relevant. Government seeks to control wild beast of ideology, idealism, self-concern, and general ignorance, which, in combination, serve as a volatile combination to corrode the basis of government. A perfect government is a futile notion, because government by definition must be perfect. The human race will not allow itself to be ruled, we are an irrevocably begun system which thrives upon external and internal influence and which fluctuates tremendously. Like the uranium atom, eventually, when too many protons are "fired" into the nucleus, the coagulating mass will eventually split, and such it is with government. Government is a terrible wish, especially in democracy, which merely endows the masses with an extensive ability to affect their government and lends them to believe in freedoms which are insane and improbable. Government is also like the commercial industry- there is never any explanation regarding the functionality of the product, it is simply the consumer's prerogative to invest in the product- such it is as well with government. But fine, chase lustily after your perfect government, for you might as well begin now, for in the world of quantum mechanics, you are bound to walk through a wall, at least once, if you repeatedly attempt the feat millions upon millions upon billions of times.
Why search for perfect government when we know government is consistently dysfunctional- let us seek for more prudent manners of "governing" and let us remember to distinguish between "government" and "government", for they are two separate notions and concepts- I would prefer to find the perfect system for "governing". (Council of elvin elders, spiritual guidance, or even oppression by inhuman forces- however even this eventually leads to the derivative of human development and human involvement- perhaps could we reverse the flow and continuity of life and evolution since the dawn of the Earth in entirety, everything would be much easier.

uh... id look up all the words i dont understand, but even with all the time in the world, id run out. alot of this is just flat out wrong, based on opinion and inference. could u paraphrase this?
 
chaz wyman
 
Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 07:55 am
@hamilton,

When you govern thyself, and do not allow another to govern you.
That is perfection.
 
Dirt
 
Reply Fri 3 Jun, 2011 08:00 pm
@hamilton,
The problem I have with this idea is that it seems to me that any government that claims it has no corruption is probably the most corrupt government, for does not everything corrupt, at least according to science.

Yet maybe if you can't have a government that is not corrupt, the perfect government at least admits that it is to some degree...
 
Coolpersonsrawesome
 
Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 10:04 pm
@hamilton,
Nothing is perfect
 
 

 
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