can anyone prove their non-exstence ?

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north
 
Reply Wed 18 Aug, 2010 01:07 pm

we are so use too people questioning their own existence but can anyone show that they do not exist in the first place ?
 
qualia
 
Reply Thu 19 Aug, 2010 10:05 am
@north,
Although the question itself is rather vague, the promise of enquiry, speculation and interrogation you have raised is fascinating, and one in which will often hang on perspectives and the drifting of one's own inquirying pursuits.

With that said, you could focus your question by going through this entry: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/existence/, and if that hasn't sparked an interest, that is, if your question pertains more to notions we have of I, mind, identity, ego, self etc why not have a look at Hume's bundle theory, the Buddhist's conception of skandhas, Nagarjuna's critique of svabhāva, Heidegger's Das Man (sections 25-32 of B&T, not just some wiki entry), Freud's reality principle and ego, Searles & Dreyfus' essays on intentionality, and that kind of thing.
 
amist
 
Reply Thu 19 Aug, 2010 08:06 pm
@north,
Of course not. I wouldn't be able to prove anything if I did not first exist.
 
55hikky
 
Reply Thu 13 Jan, 2011 09:21 pm
@north,
to prove non-existence, don't we need to know the definition of existence?

I don't think I exist,
I am compiled of atoms, as is everything else.
All atom is compiled of 11 (or 26) dimensional energy strings. So everything in this world is just energy. To make a distinction between one group of energy from another is like standing on a beach, pointing to the general left side of the ocean saying, "that's john", moving your finger a inch to the right and saying, "over there is jessica", pointing your finger a little downwards, "over there is the market". To others, it's just ocean...
Does the ocean exist? yes. Does John, jessica and the market exist? apparently. Can you differentiate them? no.


 
buffalobill90
 
Reply Mon 21 Feb, 2011 05:59 am
@north,
The only way to prove the non-existence of something is to show that its existence would be contradictory. This could involve either showing that the predicates it instantiates are mutually contradictory (for example, that it is square and circular, assuming that all squares are not circular and all circles are not square) or that it instantiates a predicate which is already shown to not be instantiated. But the latter involves already having a proof of something's non-existence.

So the simple answer is this: if someone can show that their existence is contradictory, then yes. But assuming that a contradictory existence is impossible, they would not be around to prove it in the first place, so I don't think that anyone can show that their existence is contradictory. So no.
 
Almagor
 
Reply Sat 19 Mar, 2011 10:06 pm
@55hikky,
To say that we exist as atoms is not a medical fact. We continually take in atoms that are not part of our physical body that enter into reactions and are used to repair cells that continually need repair. Our body has an external skin that is composed of 3 layers: Epidermis, Dermis, and Hypodermis. The outer layer wears off, the middle layer becomes the top layer, and the bottom layer becomes the middle layer. It takes 30 days for every layer and every atom to become non body and new cells take their place. Even our bones are fluid. Medical scientists state that every atom in our body is completely replaced by atoms from outside our physical body every 7 years. If you or I were our physical body that is composed with atoms, we would be a completely self every 7 years. Since I am the same self that I have always been, I cannot be the physical body that is composed by atoms.
 
hamilton
 
Reply Thu 21 Apr, 2011 06:40 pm
@north,
unconsciousness is a form of nonexistence. so long as we are unconscious, then we do not exist to ourselves.
 
 

 
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