What's a "point"? Please explain to me what that is and I will tell you.

William

Yes, that is the problem. You don't know what having a point when you say something is, do you?

Do you talk to people like that at the bank, grocery store or gas station? When they ask you "paper or plastic" do you say "What is paper?" or "What is plastic?" or do you adopt a reasonable stance and just pick one?

Neither does the birth defect you mentioned!

william

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I don't go to banks. As far as the paper or plastic, if offered either, I like paper better. If not I even ask for it if they have it. It's more user friendly. I know for the most part what paper is; I have no idea of all what plastic other than it is cheap and not very user friendly. You can put more into plastic than you can paper but I was never into more of anything. What I needed was enough for me. That's my reasonable stance. I don't take anything that is given; only after consideration will I if it is offered.

william

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Who does? That's what I mean Ken. There is nothing that can point to any conclusion or a final understanding of anything. Every thing that is true is a complementary/complimentary association of other things that bond them together and in our analysis, we just hit a dead end on one end as to being just a great noise or BIG BANG. Ha! So it is best guess as to what anything is. The tighter the bond the better the chance we have of learning a truth about anything.

william

There is likely to be an exception...But if there were it would not effect so many as to disallow the universality... You might have to define things a little more...

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A friend from New York state said when she first came to Michigan and when she went to the store to buy something, the person at the register asked if she wanted a sack... A what??? She said... After it was repeated several times, the person next in line said: Do you want a bag for your purchace??? I guess they don't say sack in New Your State...

"Truth is a property of sentences." I think we tend to forget to what degree with live in abstractions. The concept of a human liver is just one way among others to divide/process our experience of the human body, for instance. We live in our concepts often without being aware of it. We forget that "Reality" is itself an abstraction. "The limits of my language are the limits of my world."

This is why universal truth isn't such an easy issue.

Firstly, i'm going to try and define the words "truth" and "lie". The entire dilemma of this thing lies in how people define these words.

There are two ways of defining "a truth":
1. A truth is an event that has happened or is happening. It's not what people THINK happened or is happening.
2. A truth is an event that the individual believes to be true.

There are also two ways of defining the word "lie":
1. A lie is when "X" INTENTIONALLY tells "Y" something that isn't the truth. (this is the correct one, if you look at it's meaning in the dictionary)
2. A lie is when "X" tells "Y" something that isn't the truth, intentionally or not.

Looking at your conversation with your friend, you obviously go with the 1.´s and your friend goes with the 2.´s. Personally i'm totally with you.
To be honest, i don't really know what a "universal truth" means, but i guess it's a truth that applies to everybody. If this is so, i agree with you in this matter too. Here's an example of a universal truth: "Every living being has to die". In my opinion, anyone who tries to argue with this statement is simply stupid.